Check off redunds on the rise

[bucket]

Blackpowder,

We all need to do a reality check...

Have been active in AB Commissions since 1989... many many thousands of volunteer hours... passionate effective leadership is a trek though endless challenges... it is so very easy to shoot missiles at those brave souls [farmers] willing to put themselves on the front lines of leadership and representing our agricultural communities.

It is costly and requires real self discipline... to challenge urban political perceptions... few farmers actually have done a SWAT accounting of farmer's new political and social economic reality in an urbanized post pandemic world.

It is very easy to get 'lost' in our own....'small' but important farming realities... it is a no brainer that people starve without food to eat... yet...humans are creatures of habit...

Farmers easily forget... that our farm worlds are radically detached from 90% of urban civilization... we are left with a very diminished power base politically to leverage.

Cheers

So having said that , you have to take some responsibility to the topic at hand and why farmers are being encouraged to pull their funding when they believe there is no value for money ?

I watch announcements for other industries get grant in the billions and yet agriculture lobbyists ( puke) rarely get an effective lobby result like those other industries.

Dofasco and Algoma steel both extracted 400 million each for replacing their steel melting furnaces. Do you see the government helping farmers the same way for primary agriculture overall.

[BreadWinner]

Well said Bucket, feds are throwing money at every sector except agriculture, transportation of goods, and oil and gas. Why shouldn’t there be a incentive to replace that old smoking massey tractor with a newer carbon capturing model…..after all one of the largest grocery chains got new fridges to save the environment. Because we are western right wing racist white farmers, nothing for you unless you are a minority. Another thing I noticed, Canola organizations are not rebranded themselves as producers of green energy. Why not this is what the government tit is looking to feed.

[bucket]

Why shouldn’t there be a incentive to replace that old smoking massey tractor with a newer carbon capturing model…


Sadly that old smoking Massey is probably more reliable and uses less fuel.

Here is the problem, so called scientists haven't done the math on the reduction of hours on a per acre basis.

Remember a tractor at rest is not polluting. And really why does 300 hours on a combine per year require emissions reduction. Or why does it make sense for a hotter burn cycle?

Over the last 40 years our trips to the elevator have become longer to satisfy logistics of the graincos and railways . Anyone done the emissions for that change?

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket… blaming Commissions and the Canola Council of Canada for ‘Climate Change’ … eco environmental policy is deceptive whining with no constructive content.

The Cash Advance has been expanded (interest free) from $100k to $250k… expanded total advance to $1M…

As farmers we do the best we can with what we are handed to work with…. Shrinking political influence makes the rural agricultural community vulnerable… not the fault of the Commissions or farmers themselves.

Obviously the agricultural community has radically less political influence… Now… as urbanization decreases rural voter influence… thereby as we have become more efficient… some saying that over the past 20 years up to 60% better efficiency in some crop production segments… we repeatedly point out these efficiency gains when ever the opportunity exists.

What else do you expect from your farm leadership??? If you can do so much better… then have at it!!!

Find out that walking the walk in effective agricultural leadership…is much more difficult than complaining about it!!!

Have a great day! Happy 2023 seeding!!!

Cheers

[bucket]

Bucket… blaming Commissions and the Canola Council of Canada for ‘Climate Change’ … eco environmental policy is deceptive whining with no constructive content.

The Cash Advance has been expanded (interest free) from $100k to $250k… expanded total advance to $1M…

As farmers we do the best we can with what we are handed to work with…. Shrinking political influence makes the rural agricultural community vulnerable… not the fault of the Commissions or farmers themselves.

Obviously the agricultural community has radically less political influence… Now… as urbanization decreases rural voter influence… thereby as we have become more efficient… some saying that over the past 20 years up to 60% better efficiency in some crop production segments… we repeatedly point out these efficiency gains when ever the opportunity exists.

What else do you expect from your farm leadership??? If you can do so much better… then have at it!!!

Find out that walking the walk in effective agricultural leadership…is much more difficult than complaining about it!!!

Have a great day! Happy 2023 seeding!!!

Cheers

The topic is about refunds. Farmers don't see the value, that why they are asking for their money back.

I always like that line """" If you can do so much better… then have at it!!! """"

I have put resolutions forward that get passed that the farm groups are to work on....once passed is it my responsibility to continue working on it or is it the farm group's?

Seems to me if you tell an employee to do something and you end up doing it yourself , there is no sense having an employee. Right.

That is what the people asking for their money back are implying. The farm groups are not doing their jobs.

Increasing the cash advance rate to 250,000 interest free temporarily?????

Do the math on an interest free 60000 CEBA loan for 3 years and a grant at the end compared to that?

Not sure farmers that helped the economy got a better deal with a temporary measure.

Why not a million interest free that reflects a real farm these days?

[blackpowder]

Thank you Tom for your service.
I don't have the ability or desire.
I should not comment too hard if I don't go to these things. The Edmonton conference became ho hum for me years ago.
But I suspect a small percentage do anyway.
So why the dissatisfaction?
Am I under informed?
I do read the glossy mags they send.
Takes 2 minutes. Yawn. Same with their websites.
I bet you're right, we haven't seen anything yet from the government etc.
Why do I get the feeling I'm listening to a bunch of ****olds??????
The only response to govt I recieve is from wcwga. FWIW.

It is interesting to look at the companies hired by drug manufacturers to work with govt on registration etc. Have a relate with a international firm specializing in just that. Have a neighbor who used to work for the drug manufacturers on the other side of the table.
My suggestion. Maybe remove half the farmers on boards and replace with a qualified suit. Co-ops generally fail while exclusively farmer managed.
Hire a qualified firm. Demand results.
All I ever saw or heard around those tables were Cheshire cats.
Most on agriville seem disappointed. Most at the coffee table don't seem to know much or even have an opinion.
If they're working that hard, why is that?? What do we hear from the Canada Grains Council? Sunny ways. Pull the plug and hire a private firm?
Or am I just under informed and easily disgruntled? Funny, I have never heard a "NO" from any of these types. Agreeing with the bs to stay at the table may be necessary but it's gone too far.

And it's also sad that after 11 years we still struggle to modernize our thinking. Maybe that's on producers.

[TOM4CWB]

To withdraw and leave agricultural policy up to urban politics… we both know is suicidal.

If farmers have no ‘skin in the process’ financial contributions give legitimacy and build better policies.

Withdraw Bucket… have zero influence… what could possibly go wrong???

Suck and blow at the same time… not a productive way to communicate or move productivity forward.

Yes being responsible for political policies… and personal participation in the process should make a better case… for implementation… if advocacy is effective in policy development… which we all know is the logical practical common sense path. Whining is self gratification… like swearing at a broken piece of equipment… not helpful!!!

Cheers

[Herc]

[B]
Sadly that old smoking Massey is probably more reliable and uses less fuel.

Kinda off topic to the thread but this really got me thinking. Not in the reliability side but on the fuel usage. Everything leads us to believe the new model is more efficient. I’ve never really cared about fuel usage as long as the thing runs. Same time have never got a newer tractor and said man this thing is good on fuel. Never had an apples to apples comparison either as when we upgrade a tractor it usually has an upgraded drill behind it.

So I looked up some nebraska tractor tests to see whether a new diesel motor is more efficient than an old one. Compared a 4455 to a 6155M. And a 8870 to a 9370R. Old one was more efficient for both at max. Power levels. The newer 4wd was bit more efficient at lower power levels but the old 4wd was within 0.5 gal/hr. 2wd the old engine was better throughout. So in 30 years all we’ve accomplished was mediocre efficiency at mid range power levels on some diesel motors……..that or deere is bad example as they always burned a shit ton of diesel fuel…..

Back to the topic. Give me an opt out option for check offs. Why do I need to apply for it every year. Insanity. Either ur in or out…..

[Stormin]

Could be a wild summer for weather!!!

Thanks for for the charts and your perspective for the upcoming season, Tom. That settles it for me I am going to hang on to my only remaining crop of beautiful oats until next year, I’m not selling for less than $5/ bu!

[TOM4CWB]

Interesting times…

Letting someone else be responsible for our future….

Hiring suits to fix our farm problems… like repairing a broken drive shaft… what could possibly go wrong! Exactly how much more will that cost???

Interesting discussion… mob violence and intimidation are effective… sadly seldom do constructive solutions result Climate Change and Woke pride.

[blackpowder]

Not withdrawing Tom. Putting it to better use.
The Code of Practice as written. Where did that come from anyway?
No Aginvest without emissions reduction as decided by Ottawa? Where has sitting at the table nodding our heads got us?
Maybe I should just retire lol.

[Stormin]

So having said that , you have to take some responsibility to the topic at hand and why farmers are being encouraged to pull their funding when they believe there is no value for money ?

I watch announcements for other industries get grant in the billions and yet agriculture lobbyists ( puke) rarely get an effective lobby result like those other industries.

Dofasco and Algoma steel both extracted 400 million each for replacing their steel melting furnaces. Do you see the government helping farmers the same way for primary agriculture overall.

Dofasco and Algoma steel are public companies. CEO’s get paid on performance and employees get paid a wage neither group has a vested interest in the success of the company they work for and will get paid regardless of success or failure. Politicians have a completely different reason for supporting the success of these businesses and use the public purse to launder money and votes to ensure their own political existence. It doesn’t matter whether the company makes money or not and shareholders don’t care as long as valuations rise and dividends continue.
Maybe farm groups need to hire Defascos lobbyists but I don’t know to what end, it’s a market driven business based on scarcity of product. In my thinking, if ROI isn’t working then your input costs ( land, equipment, crop costs and expected return) are to high and need to be adjusted. I think the problem with farming businesses is the lack of a good business plan and decisions are driven by emotion. I’m not doing this because I want to feed the world, I just saw an opportunity and a lifestyle I wanted.
PS written in the sunny Arizona desert where the success of my business has allowed me to spend a couple of months. As an aside, had to try two border crossings because of vax status I was escorted back from the first one. Idaho let us through.

[TOM4CWB]

Not withdrawing Tom. Putting it to better use.
The Code of Practice as written. Where did that come from anyway?
No Aginvest without emissions reduction as decided by Ottawa? Where has sitting at the table nodding our heads got us?
Maybe I should just retire lol.

99% of the time… we get exactly the results we work for and are invested in.

We get exactly what we deserve…

Passionate determination to solve a problem…beats any other solution… every time on our farm… always learning… changing….

We get the policy and government we deserve!

Cheers

[Guest]

not a like
thats bullshit tom and you know it , western canada has no say in the federal govt , none , ZERO !

[blackpowder]

Interesting times…

Letting someone else be responsible for our future….

Hiring suits to fix our farm problems… like repairing a broken drive shaft… what could possibly go wrong! Exactly how much more will that cost???

Interesting discussion… mob violence and intimidation are effective… sadly seldom do constructive solutions result Climate Change and Woke pride.

Not disagreeing with your passion or intent Tom.
I'm sure you know what I meant.
Hired guns doing what we say.

It's a tragedy it took a lifetime to get rid of the board.
Do you think we need to resort to sit ins and hunger strikes again?