Direct payments questions

[ajl]

While having drawbacks, a direct payment is the quickest and simplest way of providing support and it allows all producers, regardless of size to participate so it is also the fairest. But what about the bureaucrat's ability to chose winners and losers? That is why we have agri STAB in canuckistan so that the smaller producers can subsidize the big wheels that bid up the cost of inputs instead. Any body who would argue otherwise is a collector of agri STAB. No government involvement is preferred but a direct payment is far better than the agri STAB framework we have now.

[Old Cowzilla]

Not to stir the pot but most of the Europe folk around here own dairy farms so I guess they still like that government support check. As a beef and grain guy since '76 I have seen enough crap that I would cash the dam check. The clean elevator chain in my old combine was $1500 do the one's in the new one's not ware out too?

[bucket]

Interesting that the air Canada issue is top of the news cycle. Air Canada is highly subsidized by the government . Carney is in conflict due to the Brookfield investment in Air Canada.

But it is quickly resolved so Carney's investments are not impacted.

Meanwhile canola issue is lost.

Politicians can work on weekends and summer break. Who would have thunk it.

[Old Cowzilla]

Imagine the shame those air line pilots feel when they cash those subsidized checks. Who pays the storage costs when the local elevator doesn't take my contracted canola in September ( at a good price ) because they don't want to tie space if they can take in wheat and move it instead?

[foragefarmer]

If Carney is going to talk to industry and not farmers, we are phucked!

If Carney was to come visit Agriville and looked at the Friday Crop Report on a Thursday. Second week of August. thread, it would be hard for him to justify to taxpayers an Ag Direct Payment to producers based on the pictures that appear on there. Some of the comments turly wouldn't help either.

I pay a shit load of taxes, I personally don't want my tax dollars being used in an ad hoc Ag Direct Payment going to those farmers who don't need it, or decided to try to farm beyond their means and got themselves in financial trouble.

IF, and that's one hell of a big IF the Feds can come up with an ad hoc Ag Direct Payment to those farmers to no fault of their own need finanical aid, I would be in for that. How they would do that without wasting the majority of the funds on Adm. is beyond me.

Even the Harper government thought Ag Safety Net programs were to generous to farmers, so he had Ritz dilute them.

Besides I know the love that some of you show towards SM, what happens if they are also into grains and oil seeds and are losing at that end?








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[bucket]

This is political incompetence or market manipulation. Not sure why farmers should pick up the tab.

The steel industry doesnt nor fo autos dairy etc etc

No matter how successful those industries are. Political incompetence is paid by the taxpayer.

[furrowtickler]

lol this has nothing to do with wether a farm is well off or not , that is such petty socialist thinking
This is about the direct loss of money due to Chinese tarrifs again due to one sided eastern politics to protect an EV industry that barely even exists .

[cropgrower]

well after the way the recent government vaccine injury compensation program is being run and the money wasted , not going to them that badly need help , my expectations are extremely low
bottom line this government could not care less about western canada and its farmers

[wrongway]

bACK IN THE 80"S when ad hoc payments were all the rage the money that eventually flowed to farmers really didn't do much good. maybe bought some groceries and clothes for the kids. The big bills and payments for land and equipment were either not paid or paid from farm receipts...I know I lived it. the younglings will say it wasn't that bad because everything was so cheap compared to now, I say to this...there was no cash and you couldn't borrow any money...period!

I don't know how you could morally exclude anyone(me) who made the decision to not overextend themselves and sock away a little bit of money in the best decade that agriculture has ever seen, bare none. In the same vein how could you send money to anyone who thought that if they became too big to fail they could keep playing no matter what happens. love it or hate it, and i hate it, the current programs for all their flaws are probably the most fair and efficient way of getting capital into farmers hands...when it is needed.

Every farm is different and have different goals and needs this bickering about who should get money and who shouldn't is exactly what the government wants, then they can just throw up their hands and say farmers don't even know what they need why should we help.

[foragefarmer]

lol this has nothing to do with wether a farm is well off or not , that is such petty socialist thinking
This is about the direct loss of money due to Chinese tarrifs again due to one sided eastern politics to protect an EV industry that barely even exists .

It's to bad you haven't figured out the Chinese are manipulating the market for their benifit.

How do you know who's well off or not, by pictures being posted?






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