Saskatoon seed royalty meeting

[walterm]

It seems that quality reputation is under attack too 101.

http://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/ http://https://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/

I see why vvalk wants rid of the CGC, it's holding back his buddies on the seed file attempts to further weaken the farmers position.

Since the restructuring of CGC in the last two short years we have had Ecoli in western mills and now glass in bread products in the east. Whether related to restructure or not hasn't been released, but you can bet that our customers like China and Japan etc are watching.

[jazz]

The world comes to Canada for quality.

Well the customers have yet to show their faces and they are sitting on the sidelines trying to cheat us down on prices. 1CWAD is $6.50 right now. Should be $2 higher than that for top quality with protein.

If its just a matter of reminding our customers where the quality is, that's an easy fix. Who is doing that. Stop announcing more research dollars and somebody get on an fn plane and fly to Italy and Africa and see if these guys are going to shit or get off the pot.

[farming101]

Some are making a good dollar growing the lower quality wheats. There are many varieties in Canada already. Find a market and supply it.
Regarding the article, I'm not really seeing how anyone would grow wheat under an IP contract if they are going to make less? Regarding the price of feed, well, we grow feed wheat and are netting as much or more than top quality HRSW. That's what some of the conversation above was about. Producing top quality without being rewarded. Not something you quickly forget.

Rather than wheat quality being watered down it has been tightened up with the new CNHR designation in Western Canada. Farmers are doing their part jumping through hoops everywhere.

Also, the grain companies have been blending grain for as long as they have been in business.
#1 CWRS is allowed .5% contrasting classes of wheat and 1.5% total of other classes or varieties of wheat. Also, #1 CWRS can have up to .4% other cereals to make export grade #1.

[malleefarmer]

[QUOTE=farming101;400471]Some are making a good dollar growing the lower quality wheats. There are many varieties in Canada already. Find a market and supply it.

Farming 101 your spot on there in many ways.

We have Hard1 Hard2 premium wheats then APW australian premium our "base" grade which everything is priced of off. H1 H2 15 and 25 dollars above.

Then ASW austrlian standard white basically a noodle wheat, the yellow asian noodle you buy at super market.

Then gp general purpose wheat then feed wheat.

Many of the highest wheats bred for superior yeild often lack some inherent qualities that dont make it premium for flour mills.

Usually priced 10 to 15 below apw. But has good protien etc just trouble with dough rising times colour etc. Guess what it what the feedlotter poultry guys pig guys wnat best bang for there buck.

Know many farmers that grow asw only because of yield and bypass elevator system and sell dirrect and make good bucks

[farmaholic]

If wheat is sold on spec does it matter how much of an almost indistinguishable class the HRS has blended into it? As long as it meets it's specs and performs like its supposed to. I assume you could get away with alot of nice red winter in high protein high falling number CWRS...probably "more than the law will allow". And if a growing season was such that CNHR had acceptable falling numbers I wonder if it could find its way into a boat of HRS.

And feed barley is never malted, especially the rejected malt barley designated feed.

But what does any of this have to do with the seed tax.

[bucket]

It seems that quality reputation is under attack too 101.

http://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/ http://https://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/

I see why vvalk wants rid of the CGC, it's holding back his buddies on the seed file attempts to further weaken the farmers position.

The last guy any farmer should allow to handle any changes to the CGC is someone like vvalk or the WCWGA (same thing) because they answer to their master sponsors...whose interests are a little different than average farmers....

Although he did put in a good word for me....earlier in the thread...

""""""Too bad Bucket you weren’t running all these farm groups for the last 20 years. Everything’s would be perfect now. You have to be the smartest farmer in the prairies. Answers for everything. I bet you must be the most successful farmer in central Sask. with our attention to detail. No wait All of Sask. """"""

Coming from someone that has spent 10 years in Ottawa ...thats a pretty strong endorsement....lmao

[bucket]

with all the posters on this thread and others looking in....what does everyone think the polls would say...

85% against the seed tax
15% for the tax....

I think its higher against the tax but if I went to 90% the results would be thrown out...no one scores 90% and vvalk would say its an NFU poll...lol

Where would you poll for numbers on this issue....downtown toronto....Vancouver when the WCWGA has their annual meeting....

I wonder if Carla or Anthony while they were in Saskatoon this past week.... with many average farmers... would take a random poll and talk to farmers to see their quick response....or do they need an official government pollster to figure shit out for them....

What a perfect opportunity to get farmers opinions without a set agenda or time on listening.....

[dmlfarmer]

Bucket, The problem is supporters like the WG are waging an ideological battle rather than a practical one. Just like they did with the CWB. Their only goal was to get rid of the CWB, they had no plan of what would replace it or of the impacts removal would have on the industry. They could care less of the impact of the EPR on the farm industry in general, they see it simply as an ideological right to be able to extend ownership of seed rights well beyond the point of sale. And I do think the real target of the WG is the CGC and this royalty battle is simply an opening skirmish. But just like the CWB fiasco, they have no plan for a future without the CGC. What do they care as long as ideologically they get rid of another regulatory body. It is Trumpism in Canadian agriculture! And farmers buy into these ideological arguments without questioning, because the ideology appeals. Furthermore, no one wants to put in the work looking at what the impact is going to be, or be seen by fellow farmers as, heaven forbid, a liberal or socialist, or know it all; comments that will be hurled at you the minute you voice your opinion. And so farmers stumble from crisis to crisis largely driven by the whims of small self interest groups and their handlers.

[farmaholic]

I assume most people know $500,000 of Growing Forward 2 funds are being spent supporting the "Seed Syngery" initiative by the Federal Government. In what capacity I don't know, study or transition?

You gotta like the title this initiative was given, Seed Synergy, not seed tax. That makes it so much easier to swallow.

[bucket]

Bucket, The problem is supporters like the WG are waging an ideological battle rather than a practical one. Just like they did with the CWB. Their only goal was to get rid of the CWB, they had no plan of what would replace it or of the impacts removal would have on the industry. They could care less of the impact of the EPR on the farm industry in general, they see it simply as an ideological right to be able to extend ownership of seed rights well beyond the point of sale. And I do think the real target of the WG is the CGC and this royalty battle is simply an opening skirmish. But just like the CWB fiasco, they have no plan for a future without the CGC. What do they care as long as ideologically they get rid of another regulatory body. It is Trumpism in Canadian agriculture! And farmers buy into these ideological arguments without questioning, because the ideology appeals. No one wants to put in the work looking at what the impact is going to be, or be seen by fellow farmers as, heaven forbid, a liberal or socialist, or know it all, that will be hurled at you the minute you voice your opinion. And so farmers stumble from crisis to crisis largely driven by the whims of small self interest groups and their handlers.

Interesting comments ....After researching what these guys and companies are up to ..here is their recommendation for the 2019 budget

Recommendation #3
That the federal government review grain grading, specifically wheat in cross border movement.Grain Grading:
Currently Canadian wheat being transported across the US border is graded appropriately. Unfortunately, all US wheat coming across the Canadian border is designated as feed grade. Without a recognition of correct grain grading for US wheat, Canadian farmers are at risk of losing their grading in the US and being placed in an uncompetitive position.



Why worry about bringing a competitor's grain into Canada??????????

Why are they doing the bidding for American farmers in such a way?????

Why not look to a North American standard of grades so logistics can start moving North South as well with access to US infrastructure....

They are also looking to changes to the Tax act and that may have to do with all the corporate entities that farmers have put in place to reduce tax while the same people farm the land...

About 4 years ago there were hints that forming corporations for land and then renting it to either the family or others would not help your tax situation....now they want clemency for their chest beating of farm corporations....



And about the CGC as ****ed up as it may be ...let me be clear...the WCWGA has no business in its changes because of their biases to their masters..as proven by their lobbying on the transition to an open market.....

They should have zero standing.....

[bucket]

I assume most people know $500,000 of Growing Forward 2 funds are being spent supporting the "Seed Syngery" initiative by the Federal Government. In what capacity I don't know, study or transition?

You gotta like the title this initiative was given, Seed Synergy, not seed tax. That makes it so much easier to swallow.

The amount of money that is allotted to agriculture that never ends up in the hands of primary producers is insane....

While farmers struggle with half price lentils...every one else is getting funding for stupid shit....Every flyer that comes has Gov. of Sask or Gov. of Canada or CAP logo at the bottom...... and they still charge a fee to go...WTF..

[mustardman]

Bucket, The problem is supporters like the WG are waging an ideological battle rather than a practical one. Just like they did with the CWB. Their only goal was to get rid of the CWB, they had no plan of what would replace it or of the impacts removal would have on the industry. They could care less of the impact of the EPR on the farm industry in general, they see it simply as an ideological right to be able to extend ownership of seed rights well beyond the point of sale. And I do think the real target of the WG is the CGC and this royalty battle is simply an opening skirmish. But just like the CWB fiasco, they have no plan for a future without the CGC. What do they care as long as ideologically they get rid of another regulatory body. It is Trumpism in Canadian agriculture! And farmers buy into these ideological arguments without questioning, because the ideology appeals. No one wants to put in the work looking at what the impact is going to be, or be seen by fellow farmers as, heaven forbid, a liberal or socialist, or know it all, that will be hurled at you the minute you voice your opinion. And so farmers stumble from crisis to crisis largely driven by the whims of small self interest groups and their handlers.

Very Well said Dml
Farmers don’t realize how much harm to agriculture was done under the Harper govt with guidance from WCWG and their handlers .
Ha farmers are even blaming this on Trudeau , funny unaware farmers. Some of us have been fighting this since 2013

[bucket]

Well the customers have yet to show their faces and they are sitting on the sidelines trying to cheat us down on prices. 1CWAD is $6.50 right now. Should be $2 higher than that for top quality with protein.

If its just a matter of reminding our customers where the quality is, that's an easy fix. Who is doing that. Stop announcing more research dollars and somebody get on an fn plane and fly to Italy and Africa and see if these guys are going to shit or get off the pot.

When you have guys like vvalk selling his 1cwad to a feedlot ... he's the guy racing us to the bottom....no one can blame the CWB for that any more...good job vvalk ....your masters couldn't be prouder....

[vvalk]

It seems that quality reputation is under attack too 101.

http://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/ http://https://www.nfu.ca/nfu-asks-cgc-commissioners-to-uphold-farmers-interests-and-canadas-grain-quality-standards/

I see why vvalk wants rid of the CGC, it's holding back his buddies on the seed file attempts to further weaken the farmers position.

There has been a few comments about “his buddies” or “their masters”. Just would like you to elaborate on what you mean. I’ll assume you think that a board of young farmers whose livelihoods are strictly farming have an agenda to make farming less profitable? And by doing this these individual farmers get a kick back from these companies? Or worse yet Supposedly the WG get a bunch of money and the directors all take a hit on their farms? If you like the idea of archaic grading practises at the CGC where half trained people visually grade your grain so be it. I would rather not have a person who woke up grumpy or graded your grain after looking at 500 samples. I can give examples of durum grading #4 for $6 yet sell into Montana for $12 US$. Happened twice in the last 8 years do you think the grain companies wouldn’t sell that $6 durum bought on CGC specs and sell for $12 US on the coast based on spec? The grain companies love the CGC. WG directors work for profitability on our farms. You can disagree with the opinion but to bring in comments about our masters is amateur

[vvalk]

When you have guys like vvalk selling his 1cwad to a feedlot ... he's the guy racing us to the bottom....no one can blame the CWB for that any more...good job vvalk ....your masters couldn't be prouder....

Bucket what are you talking about? What’s the point of having a conversation with this comment. Master will be happy? I have durum in bins from 2017 and 2018 Do I keep building bins at $2 to $2.50 a bus or line up grain bags to deteriorate? Feed price is approaching $7 a bus 5 mins away. Making a business decision for my farm lead us all down the road to the bottom. WTF are you talking about