Bit of a dumb question fentanyl

[Blaithin]

People chase highs and drugs because they’re coping. They don’t have the skills to regulate themselves and cope, so they turn to substances and become addicted.

You can say death penalties for dealers and their affiliates, I don’t necessarily disagree…

But I would say, should brewers also be condemned and liquor stores closed?

Alcohol has destroyed more people and families than drugs ever will, for the same coping reasons, yet nobody will approach it so harshly because it’s culturally okay.

If you’ve ever said you enjoy a cold drink at the end of a long day to relax, you’re no different than someone snorting a line IMO. The repercussions can just take longer to catch up to you is all.

All the same excuses apply to drinking.

I don’t have a problem, it’s just social.

I have it under control.

Everyone I know does it.

Etc. etc.

People don’t want dealers in their communities around their kids but it’s funny to take photos of kids drinking from beer cans and it’s a right of passage to buy them alcohol before they’re legal and to get them shitfaced when they turn 18. It’s normal to set the example that regular alcohol consumption helps deal with day to day life.

The dealers don’t have the same access to kids as other people and alcohol do.

[Landdownunder]

True story relevant maybe
A good friend known her for 30 plus years she worked in our shearing shed as a roustabout rough diamond liked a beer.
She often used to stay with us anyway went off the rails.

Watching tv documentary one night about Ice and the perils of it, my son was watching 16 at the time. Marie said to phoenix if you ever try drugs of any sort im gonna kick your balls in we were all a bit taken aback.
Went on to explain she tried ice once thought it was good before that just beer, it heightens sexual euphoria she said so she tried it. Then next weekend used it twice and thats it hooked $1500 a week with her then partner 3 kids and 4 years of hell, hubby ended up in jail. PS she didnt bonk all the time became different once hooked that second weekend.
Said to son stick to beer and rum shes clean now comes and stays occasionally no longer a rousy. Just has occasional beer thats it. She stabbed exhubby when he had a drug fuelled rage nearly ended up jail same as hubby but he didnt press charges.
Its in my local regional town 12,000 people rampant apparently, I asked once where do you get it I never see it, slap slap god you naive Peter come down I will take you for a drive 24/7 its everywhere our regional town 2nd worst in my state out of country towns.
PS still haven't seen any evidence of dealers all of the above 8 yrs ago

[LEP]

People chase highs and drugs because they’re coping. They don’t have the skills to regulate themselves and cope, so they turn to substances and become addicted.

You can say death penalties for dealers and their affiliates, I don’t necessarily disagree…

But I would say, should brewers also be condemned and liquor stores closed?

Alcohol has destroyed more people and families than drugs ever will, for the same coping reasons, yet nobody will approach it so harshly because it’s culturally okay.

If you’ve ever said you enjoy a cold drink at the end of a long day to relax, you’re no different than someone snorting a line IMO. The repercussions can just take longer to catch up to you is all.

All the same excuses apply to drinking.

I don’t have a problem, it’s just social.

I have it under control.

Everyone I know does it.

Etc. etc.

People don’t want dealers in their communities around their kids but it’s funny to take photos of kids drinking from beer cans and it’s a right of passage to buy them alcohol before they’re legal and to get them shitfaced when they turn 18. It’s normal to set the example that regular alcohol consumption helps deal with day to day life.

The dealers don’t have the same access to kids as other people and alcohol do.

Sorry. Have to disagree. Yes alcohol is bad but drugs way worse. Like Landdownunder says dabble alittle in drugs and it grabs ahold big time.

We live in a larger town, my wife works for social services. Drugs everywhere and I mean heroin, meth, fentanyl, shrooms, ecstasy you name it.

Young moms get addicted and next thing you know their kids are taken away and they are going to jail on drug and gun charges.

My wife was talking to an RCMP member and he said he used to work on a reserve up north. Said he would rather move back.

Alcohol is bad and ruins some lives but doesn't cause most people addicted to go mental and out of control.

[furrowtickler]

Alcohol has always been a cause of issues , but these hard drugs are far far more of an issue.
The amount of crime associated with the drug gangs has exploded and one must life a very closed life not to see it
We certainly se it full on in nw Sask
Just watch Gangs of Saskatchewan, and it’s understated to say the least

[Landdownunder]

Again my patch like there were maybe a dozen 15 of us, used to buy a 18 gallon keg of beer on a Friday be all gone by sunday arvo of course have boxed beer for when we ran out, go home have a nap start work monday all the 36 plus hour sessions we used to have scary when ya think about it, none are alcoholics no idea how.
Distant memory now.

[Old Cowzilla]

Small town drinking culture in our area in the 70's and 80's was brutal. Farmers packed the bar at 11.05 am if it rained or was raining and stayed the whole day . I know several guys I drank beer with then that didn't make to the 90's. Drinking and driving laws put a stop to most of that culture. One overpriced beer with my ribs meal in town usually enough now thank god.

[Blaithin]

Drugs can ruin a person fast and visibly.

Don’t be naive and think that in comparison a family that is still together is healthy. A family with even one alcoholic may look like a functioning unit but they are not. The partnership is not healthy. The kids are not healthy. Nobody is learning or developing anything resembling healthy functioning abilities.

You know what they do instead? Go out and find alcohol and drugs to deal with it. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to remove yourself from the repercussions of an alcoholic in a healthy way, many don’t do it.

The whole approach to alcohol is a trickle down effect.

Oh you can drink, as long as it’s responsible you’ll be fine. Well… that’s not true. But also, people then apply the logic to other substances and with them, once can be too much.

Yes, in a world with no drug dealers you would not have the same extreme crash and burn stories of ODs and meth cooking and all that. Most of those people, should drug access be removed from their life, would still have substance issues and struggle with alcohol though.

But hey, as long as they don’t go to jail and have their kids taken away, it’s all good right?

[furrowtickler]

My point is there are no alcohol gangs that cause continuous violence and crime . That is mostly a drug issue.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

My point is there are no alcohol gangs that cause continuous violence and crime . That is mostly a drug issue.

There was when alcohol was prohibited.

[farmaholic]

Good thing the TrueDope Liberals legalized(NORMALIZED) marijuana on October 17, 2018.

I wonder if normalization has basically ruined/stopped the illegal grow ops and trafficking?

Makes me wonder if leaving it illicit would have somehow kept the stronger opiods more taboo. Doubt it, some people likely would have kept looking for the next best thing when they got bored with pot and methamphetamine.