Question for SK

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Quote from a CBC article
"Manitoba says it needs to double or triple its electricity-generating capacity over the next two decades — and it won't build new hydroelectric dams to meet that goal"

Manitoba intends to use wind and solar instead to meet what they see as a rising demand from electrification.

Therefore Saskatchewan cannot rely on imports of dispatchable reliable generation from Manitoba to make up the shortfall if Saskatchewan shuts down their fossil fuels and replaces them with unreliables.

Can't rob Peter to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul are already planning to rob each other to make up for their poor planning.

Someone, somewhere has to produce reliable, dispatchable rampable, stable, high inertia, on demand electricity. Otherwise the entire Rube Goldberg contraption comes crashing down like it just did in Spain.

Hydro would be perfect for that role. Too bad that is being forsaken.

[Hamloc]

Not sure if you research before posting, but it's very easy to google. I know it's nothing compared to O&G revenues, but don't lump Manitoba in with B.C.

MB. Hydro does sell to Sk

From Manitoba Hydro's 2023-24 Annual Report.


Extraprovincial revenues totaled $872 million in 2023-24, a decrease of $259 million from the previous year. The decrease is largely due to lower opportunity sales volumes which were 4 804 GWh or 67.5% lower as a result of drought conditions. Dependable sales volumes were also lower by 139 GWh or 2.2% as low water conditions resulted in no excess energy available to be sold under dependable market-based sales contracts, partially offset by higher fixed rate prices as a result of price escalations. Of the total extraprovincial revenues, $689 million or 79% was derived from the U.S. market, $166 million or 19% was from sales to Canadian markets and $17 million or 2% was related to arbitrage opportunities between wholesale energy markets

There is this belief that Canada should build a cross Canada electricity corridor supplied and energized excess hydro electric power from Quebec, Manitoba and British Columbia. The problem with this vision is that the excess hydro electric power does not exist. Your post verifies this.

[foragefarmer]

You need to do more research, Quebec, B.C. and Manitoba are to the point, especially in B.C. where hydro production and electricity demand are almost equal. There is little excess left for export. This belief that there is excess hydro production that could be exported across Canada is a load of B.S.
In fact read this: vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-just-as-b-c-has-less-water-to-make-electricity-we-have-more-demand.
From article, referring to the snowpack “Once again that means less water to generate electricity and another year where B.C. Hydro is projecting to be a net importer of power.”
Rastafarian you are living in a green dream!

Not sure if you research before posting, but it's very easy to google. I know it's nothing compared to O&G revenues, but don't lump Manitoba in with B.C.

MB. Hydro does sell to Sk

From Manitoba Hydro's 2023-24 Annual Report.


Extraprovincial revenues totaled $872 million in 2023-24, a decrease of $259 million from the previous year. The decrease is largely due to lower opportunity sales volumes which were 4 804 GWh or 67.5% lower as a result of drought conditions. Dependable sales volumes were also lower by 139 GWh or 2.2% as low water conditions resulted in no excess energy available to be sold under dependable market-based sales contracts, partially offset by higher fixed rate prices as a result of price escalations. Of the total extraprovincial revenues, $689 million or 79% was derived from the U.S. market, $166 million or 19% was from sales to Canadian markets and $17 million or 2% was related to arbitrage opportunities between wholesale energy markets

[sumdumguy]

That’s a huge part of this , they want to control the energy money .
they detest Alberta and Sask because of it . You can see it in every one of their posts clear as day

Fossil fuels = reliable revenue stream = West gets richer = Money is power = East loses power over West = Laurentian Elites would rather kill everything than give up their power.

[Hamloc]

The ENERGY Corridor that Carney talks about in Canada.... Should mean clean Hydro from Manitoba,B.C and Quebec. Here in Sask we need more Electricity and Manitoba has LOTS.
Instead of investing BILLIONS on small nuclear plants that wont be here for 30 years get talking to Manitoba. But no these idiots want to go back to the 1800's and extend coal

You need to do more research, Quebec, B.C. and Manitoba are to the point, especially in B.C. where hydro production and electricity demand are almost equal. There is little excess left for export. This belief that there is excess hydro production that could be exported across Canada is a load of B.S.
In fact read this: vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-just-as-b-c-has-less-water-to-make-electricity-we-have-more-demand.
From article, referring to the snowpack “Once again that means less water to generate electricity and another year where B.C. Hydro is projecting to be a net importer of power.”
Rastafarian you are living in a green dream!

[furrowtickler]

And really at the end of the day, you Upper Canada Loyalists see a one way street. Us buying from you.

That’s a huge part of this , they want to control the energy money .
they detest Alberta and Sask because of it . You can see it in every one of their posts clear as day

[shtferbrains]

Think these people are going home to charge their EV's.

And solar drop off at 5pm.

[cropgrower]

are you simple minded enough to think your plan will work when everybody is also charging their EV s cc ? their will need to be a huge increase in energy produced

[chuckChuck]

Coal is the past, just like Moe and Smith who want to protect the old jobs and economy at the expense of diversifying to future jobs and prosperity.

Moe now knows nuclear is a long way off and very expensive. So lets just keep aging coal plants.

Alberta built lots of gas plants and renewables a way ahead of schedule. They now have several new gas plants that cover needs and are at least 50% cleaner when it comes to emmissions.

We are still going to need fossil fuels for some time. Oil will be available for petro chemicals and other uses. Gas is a decent option for the interim because it allows for flexibilty with more renewables.

Build enough renewables at a much lower cost. Back them up with hydro and gas and strong connections to other provinces and you can reduce emissions and keep costs down.

But Alberta and Saskatchewan are laggards and using all kinds of excuses that it can't be done.

[goalieguy847]

This is excellent. The small nuclear reactor bit.. not the coal thing. Burning coal is dumb. Its bad for everyone except for the company selling it.

my grandparents burnt coal in the house we live in now. They went away from it in the 40s because it was, and i quote, " dirty as shit".

Nuclear.
natural gas.

Solar. Hydro. Etc etc. So many better sources.
but.. whatever to make a buck i suppose.

Big question is.. will it make electricity cheaper?

( it wont)

Just lIke the genesis plant or a local urea plant wont bring down fertilizer price.
so.. under the guise of jobs.
may as well burn coal like my grandparents did.... 100 yrs ago.

Real smart.
i get.. i do. Because of the situation we are in..
westmoreland coal. Same.company thats filed for bankruptcy 3 times in the .u.s.a and has cut benefits of almost 400 million $$ to retired workers?
same one thats been lobbying the alberta govt on the definition of " open pit " mining?



Same one?

Yeah. What a Huge win for sask..
Yayyyyy!!!!!!!!!¡!!!!!!!!!!

Get bent.

honestly.