Question for SK

[fjlip]

Absolutely correct! Way too many "new" people.

[SmallTimeOperator]

All this dreaming and talk about hydro electricity. Hydro Electric is at the end of its era for new development. We have what we have and can build no more in Canada. The Site C dam in BC I have read is the last dam that will ever be built in Canada. It took 45 years from start to finish, having being shelved in between, then after being restarted in the 2000s, faced court cases from Native Bands, Farmers, lots of public scrutiny, an election promise from John Horgan and his NDP who campaigned to review and possibly kill the project, but then allowed it to continue after winning the election because it was cheaper to see it to completion. It comes with a price tag that starred at 6.6 in billion in 2007 and will finish at 16 billion according to a 2021 estimate. It is only coming on line fully for 2025. This all for a project that will increase BC’s power generation capacity by 8%. Thank you Christie Clark for pushing hard to get the project that far along before she lost that election, it was the right thing to do. Did the population of BC increase by only 8% in the last 45 years? I don’t think so.

We can dream about more hydro electricity and talk about its merits. But it will never happen again in Canada. Time to move on.

I have no problem with coal. Cheap. We have it. Already have the coal fired plants. Add the carbon capture to all of them and let’s go.

Gas is good. Just need to build more of them.

Not sold on nuclear. Chernobyl (which exploded during a test of the backup electricity/pumping systems before a planned shutdown) is still a no go zone for 1000 square miles. They still have to maintain the site, and keep replacing the cement sarcophagus literally forever. Estimates range from 300 to Estimated 9000 cancer related deaths linked to the disaster in years since, plus the obvious deaths that happened shortly after in those brave souls who saved us all. Small nuclear in Sask or Canada? No thanks. It’s only clean cheap energy when it’s new. The costs after will last forever and they are not cheap measured in both money and lost lives.

Wind and solar? Not reliable enough. A little bit is ok.

The best way to solve the energy problems in Canada, lower emissions, and get to net zero? Stop immigration, and deport at least 3 million people. (which would solve housing and heath care issues too). Amazing. Cheaper too.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Quote from a CBC article
"Manitoba says it needs to double or triple its electricity-generating capacity over the next two decades — and it won't build new hydroelectric dams to meet that goal"

Manitoba intends to use wind and solar instead to meet what they see as a rising demand from electrification.

Therefore Saskatchewan cannot rely on imports of dispatchable reliable generation from Manitoba to make up the shortfall if Saskatchewan shuts down their fossil fuels and replaces them with unreliables.

Can't rob Peter to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul are already planning to rob each other to make up for their poor planning.

Someone, somewhere has to produce reliable, dispatchable rampable, stable, high inertia, on demand electricity. Otherwise the entire Rube Goldberg contraption comes crashing down like it just did in Spain.

Hydro would be perfect for that role. Too bad that is being forsaken.

[Hamloc]

Not sure if you research before posting, but it's very easy to google. I know it's nothing compared to O&G revenues, but don't lump Manitoba in with B.C.

MB. Hydro does sell to Sk

From Manitoba Hydro's 2023-24 Annual Report.


Extraprovincial revenues totaled $872 million in 2023-24, a decrease of $259 million from the previous year. The decrease is largely due to lower opportunity sales volumes which were 4 804 GWh or 67.5% lower as a result of drought conditions. Dependable sales volumes were also lower by 139 GWh or 2.2% as low water conditions resulted in no excess energy available to be sold under dependable market-based sales contracts, partially offset by higher fixed rate prices as a result of price escalations. Of the total extraprovincial revenues, $689 million or 79% was derived from the U.S. market, $166 million or 19% was from sales to Canadian markets and $17 million or 2% was related to arbitrage opportunities between wholesale energy markets

There is this belief that Canada should build a cross Canada electricity corridor supplied and energized excess hydro electric power from Quebec, Manitoba and British Columbia. The problem with this vision is that the excess hydro electric power does not exist. Your post verifies this.

[foragefarmer]

You need to do more research, Quebec, B.C. and Manitoba are to the point, especially in B.C. where hydro production and electricity demand are almost equal. There is little excess left for export. This belief that there is excess hydro production that could be exported across Canada is a load of B.S.
In fact read this: vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-just-as-b-c-has-less-water-to-make-electricity-we-have-more-demand.
From article, referring to the snowpack “Once again that means less water to generate electricity and another year where B.C. Hydro is projecting to be a net importer of power.”
Rastafarian you are living in a green dream!

Not sure if you research before posting, but it's very easy to google. I know it's nothing compared to O&G revenues, but don't lump Manitoba in with B.C.

MB. Hydro does sell to Sk

From Manitoba Hydro's 2023-24 Annual Report.


Extraprovincial revenues totaled $872 million in 2023-24, a decrease of $259 million from the previous year. The decrease is largely due to lower opportunity sales volumes which were 4 804 GWh or 67.5% lower as a result of drought conditions. Dependable sales volumes were also lower by 139 GWh or 2.2% as low water conditions resulted in no excess energy available to be sold under dependable market-based sales contracts, partially offset by higher fixed rate prices as a result of price escalations. Of the total extraprovincial revenues, $689 million or 79% was derived from the U.S. market, $166 million or 19% was from sales to Canadian markets and $17 million or 2% was related to arbitrage opportunities between wholesale energy markets

[sumdumguy]

That’s a huge part of this , they want to control the energy money .
they detest Alberta and Sask because of it . You can see it in every one of their posts clear as day

Fossil fuels = reliable revenue stream = West gets richer = Money is power = East loses power over West = Laurentian Elites would rather kill everything than give up their power.

[Hamloc]

The ENERGY Corridor that Carney talks about in Canada.... Should mean clean Hydro from Manitoba,B.C and Quebec. Here in Sask we need more Electricity and Manitoba has LOTS.
Instead of investing BILLIONS on small nuclear plants that wont be here for 30 years get talking to Manitoba. But no these idiots want to go back to the 1800's and extend coal

You need to do more research, Quebec, B.C. and Manitoba are to the point, especially in B.C. where hydro production and electricity demand are almost equal. There is little excess left for export. This belief that there is excess hydro production that could be exported across Canada is a load of B.S.
In fact read this: vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-just-as-b-c-has-less-water-to-make-electricity-we-have-more-demand.
From article, referring to the snowpack “Once again that means less water to generate electricity and another year where B.C. Hydro is projecting to be a net importer of power.”
Rastafarian you are living in a green dream!

[furrowtickler]

And really at the end of the day, you Upper Canada Loyalists see a one way street. Us buying from you.

That’s a huge part of this , they want to control the energy money .
they detest Alberta and Sask because of it . You can see it in every one of their posts clear as day

[shtferbrains]

Think these people are going home to charge their EV's.

And solar drop off at 5pm.

[cropgrower]

are you simple minded enough to think your plan will work when everybody is also charging their EV s cc ? their will need to be a huge increase in energy produced