Welcome to Canada, the land of free roads, cheap gas – and the world’s least fuel-eff

[furrowtickler]

You gotta wonder about the many Conservative consumers complaining about the cost of fuel and carbon taxes while they drive the the most expensive and least efficient vehicles when a smaller more efficient vehicle will cover their needs.

Instead of averaging 6 L per 100 km, they drive something that averages 16 L if they are lucky. Maybe they can't do math and don't know what the extra 10 L /100km is costing them? Its a whole lot more than the carbon tax, most of which they get back in climate rebates.

If you need a truck for work by all means, but why are many suburban and city residents driving big trucks?

Its marketing folks. The big three makes lots of profit off of sales of luxury lifestyle trucks. And consumers have been sucked in to all the hype.

You should start an Urban Issues page and start berating all them suburban and city folks .

[furrowtickler]

It’s a fact a lot of newer trucks and even larger SUV’s are getting 7 -8 L /100 km , you do realize that right ?
Chev and GM’s new 3L Turbo diesel is incredibly efficient and in 1/2 tons , mid size and large SUV’s . A few of us have them here and that’s a fact
Dodge has their new inline 6 Hurricane engine in their SUV’s , they are in that range as well . Soon to be in all their trucks in 2024 . Extremely fuel efficient for larger vehicles.

[chuckChuck]

For sure there have been improvements but you need to consider the entire fleet averages because fuel consumption is not dropping if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

[cropgrower]

You gotta wonder about the many Conservative consumers complaining about the cost of fuel and carbon taxes while they drive the the most expensive and least efficient vehicles when a smaller more efficient vehicle will cover their needs.

Instead of averaging 6 L per 100 km, they drive something that averages 16 L if they are lucky. Maybe they can't do math and don't know what the extra 10 L /100km is costing them? Its a whole lot more than the carbon tax, most of which they get back in climate rebates.

If you need a truck for work by all means, but why are many suburban and city residents driving big trucks?

Its marketing folks. The big three makes lots of profit off of sales of luxury lifestyle trucks. And consumers have been sucked in to all the hype.

more garbage , what good is a little 2wd car that may not even have 8 inches ground clearence going trough snowdrifts to go to work early in the morning on uncleared gravel roads ?

[furrowtickler]

For sure there have been improvements but you need to consider the entire fleet averages because fuel consumption is not dropping if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

I just showed larger vehicles are getting way better fuel consumption , it’s very evident
I get your point but a vast majority of what you consider “larger” vehicles are all going to these very efficient engines now .

[newguy]

Are you really that simple minded ??

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

[Hamloc]

Great article in the National Post: “Joe Kotkin: Electric vehicle mandates are an assault on the middle class.”
One interesting quote from the article: “Economist Bjorn Lomberg calculates that a wholesale shift to EV’s will lead to a reduction of global temperatures of no more than .0002*F by 2100.”
Lots of interesting points in the article. A prediction of a loss of 400000 automobile manufacturing jobs because EV’s require less people to build. The fact that China uses fossil fuel generated electricity to power it’s industrial base and also is now the largest builder and exporter of EV’s in the world is somewhat ironic. Great article.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

if people keep choosing more larger vehicles over smaller vehicles.

It really bothers you that consumers are allowed to make their own choices, doesn't it.
It should be just like the cwb, the government should choose for them. Because only government knows best.
And I agree with you, it is an economic and ecological tragedy that we are squandering this one-time non-renewable resource with nothing to show for it. Every barrel of oil that is consumed in an SUV driving to soccer practice is a barrel we can't export to pay for our lifestyles, and won't be available to future generations to use for industry and agriculture and infrastructure and do help us survive the fairies of weather in a northern climate.
But, the free market has no mechanism to adequately value a product which is in surplus at present, but will inevitably be in short supply for future generations.
And for the record, my daily driver is an old compact car. Unless I'm hauling something that won't fit in the car, the truck stays home.

[cropgrower]

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

are you clueless enough to think the higher energy costs due to carbon tax dont get passed on to consumer ? costs lot more to have goods delivered to food store , hydro bills way higher etc

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

Are you suggesting that farmers are only price takers? Because when I pointed that out to forage a few days ago in the dairy thread, he got quite upset with me. Perhaps you could explain this simple concept to him.

[SmallTimeOperator]

Tax payers subsidizing roads equals free roads for users. What ever happened to the fiscally conservative idea of user pay?

If fuel taxes and fuel prices are so high, why are many consumers who don't need them, still choosing large inefficient trucks and SUVs for basic transportation?

You often see them lined up and idling while they pickup their coffee and tim bits.

I guess the price of fuel isn't that high if you want to waste it at 20% efficiency in the Tim Hortons line up in a vehicle designed to haul a 12,000 lb trailer. That's a lot of donuts!

And then we also wonder why we have a growing obesity problem and poor health?

Tax payers subsidizing roads means everyone pays. Reasonably fair in a country this size as even those in the cities that don’t drive outside the city much, still benefit from the roads all across the country being used to transport their food and clothing and disposable Chinese household products to Walmarts and Costcos everywhere. And when they leave the city to go to the lake, they don’t have to pay tolls on the roads as they already paid their Income Tax and the fuel tax for the gas they just filled up their car with. No problem here. (Except that the fuel tax goes into general revenue and likely gets spent on things other than road repairs). Let’s move on.

[furrowtickler]

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

You have link to what PP said ?
This global inflation run started exactly right after Covid , then has been heightened by the drought in ‘21 and then the war .
Covid was the catalyst, the lockdowns , shutdowns of factories and businesses. Anyone with any common sense knows that fact
Inflation spiralled after that because of two things , free money and total breakdown of supply chains everywhere globally causing huge spikes in prices of nearly everything. The drought and war followed , and yes made some things worse .
Agree , farmers have absolutely zero to do with any of the above and “if” PP actually said that he is an idiot just as much as those who don’t understand global economics since Covid hit

[WiltonRanch]

Heard Polly get up in parliament and said farmers passing on the carbon tax is what is causing inflation.Since when can farmers tack on extra costs to what they sell their grain for..And anyone that markets their own grain knows exactly what caused the spike.A drought and war at the same time which in turn caused global inflation.

Trolling again are we?

[furrowtickler]

Interesting concept! Could even tax/charge by make and size of vehicle. Big heavy units that are harder on roads would be charged more, light vehicles and EV's be on lower scale.

Not sure how to get ones like me that drive older stuff pre GPS.

You do know EV’s are very heavy right ?

[walterm]

You do know EV’s are very heavy right ?

I was thinking compared to semi's and bigger trucks. But no I don't know the wieght of EV's compared to gas and diesel vehicles of same size.