Dryin'er Down

[oneoff]

What is the height of "rockets" or other aeration tubes installed? Don't expect "wall wings" but one would never know. How much grain over the top of whatever aeration tube is installed. How many days since fans first turned on. Time of day?

What about bin diameter.....looks like Butler bins; but what horsepower fans and are they centrifugal or axial flow? Any chance there is one fan feeding both bins? Why are those front sheets so different n temperature from adjacent sheets? Is sun shining brightly? What does backside of bin look like at the same time?

Etc. etc

[biglentil]

I don't think it replaces temp cables as the hot pockets usually start in middle of the bin no?

Thermal from what I understand is simply a frequency like light waves that are not visible to human eye. Those dark panels I believe are a reflection of the cool bins behind me.

Oneoff there are so many factors at play when it comes to static pressure, humidity, and temperature that are constantly changing. A guy can try to calculate them all and put a scale underneith, fancy motor controllers, spend a pile of money blah blah blah. Or instead i rotate a load out preferrably daily and moisture check. I think the term is called "farmer rigging".

[farmaholic]

Are those short sheets that don't show the same thermal reading heavier gauge that replaced the door before the bin was put on a cone?

[skip]

i am always amazed how farmers can play with tech to solve problems.
great idea biglentil
thanks for sharing the idea

[sumdumguy]

I think those two look like good old pots with new legs, eh? Now cooking up a little Canoli. We were talking about ways this guy could circulate that Canola. We did some surfing and found Kongskilde - 14 dealers in Canada. Pretty basic.

[biglentil]

Are those short sheets that don't show the same thermal reading heavier gauge that replaced the door before the bin was put on a cone?

Your right! Nothin gets by farma. My explaination did not make sense in my head being a perfect cold rectangle. I only had it running for a few hours when I took that photo the thicker guage of door replacement sheets had not warmed up yet. Thanks farma

A cooked batch of canoli sounds tasty but I hope thats not the case going to rotate shortly will report back then.

[hobbyfrmr]

Sumdum, I could use some type if stir/ rotate system. I looked over the Kongsklide website and did not see what could work to move grain in a bin
I do a lot of recreational augering.

[biglentil]

For light drying Aeration is ok if weather cooperates. Better with supplemental heat but lots of baby sitting, monitoring and recreational augering lol. I wouldnt go so far as setting up mixers. How do you keep the temp cables from getting tangled up in it? How would you confidently know what the grain moisture is without pulling a load out? Best would be a proper grain dryer on natural gas maybe next year. Dial in the ideal moisture level pow done.

[oneoff]

What I'm suggesting is that simple automatic weight measurements at any desired short time period (eg twice an hour or even every minute if you desired) would settle once and for all how aeration drying is progressing or not.
As it stands we continue to get completely conflicting theories from the aeration experts. If it is conceded that only moisturecan be possibly being added to the bin and/or vented to the atmosphere; ...why not do a test of a bin on load cells and once and for all find out if there is any net loss during the day or night; during rain and high humidity or not, during cold or hot weather or not etc.


Otherwise I suggest that the reams of moisture, humidity, dew points and air temperatures data (both inlet and outlet and don't forget the air leakages from seams etc.)are not able to be related at any time to the dry matter that is in any bin.

Why not simply weigh the whole bin as often as desired or necessary though a simple timer or even pressing a button.

And this has been suggested to a certain expert who didn't even catch on to what was said.

Looks like some farmer is going to have to find out what is going on; and thermal imaging is a nice additional twist.

And without researching it thoroughly; I suspect that we are talking about infrared imagery and a comparison to radiant heater coatings might yield some answers to why those panels appear to be behaving differently.

Are those smaller sheets relatively new and shiny compared to the rest of the bin?

[biglentil]

Yes agreed a bin on scales with data logging could definetely yield some useful answers. The study out of Indianhead that suggested that fans should only be ran at night has lead many astray I do believe. Lowering hot grain a couple points yes perfect strategy. Cold damp grain not so much. Once the grain has cooled the drying effect of night air is gone.

Yes I had a look at those sheets today, definetely more sheen compared to the ole galvinized sheets. I did not measure the guage of metal though. Got to wonder if the sheen is reflecting the radiant heat better. Maybe a more efficient process in a new shiny bin. Craziness!