Cold out

[chuckChuck]

Reducing consumption of fossil fuels where possible is the first and most important step.

Like the rest of you I am not sure how we are going to get to net zero by 2050. Its a massive change in a few decades.

[burnt]

So what’s your plan to heat all your buildings when liberals ban fossil fuels altogether like they want ?
Or when they push the price of carbon to $170 or up to $250 like they are claiming ?
Just curious as 2030 is coming much faster than replacement for fossil fuels , especially in this Arctic environment we get for up to 3 months .
Like was said above by seldom seen , if they are truly concerned about CO2 , burning wood is just as evil if not worse for CO2 emissions.

I still see no plan from the liberals at all for options to heat our homes or even run heavy equipment on the farm , or the vast transportation system that is critical to this country that has one of the coldest environments on earth .

No doubt you have pointed out many times we still need fossil fuels as a base load , but that is not the liberal plan ... at all

Furrow, you seem to be operating on the premise that you and most of us will even be around by 2030.

When you factor in that Bill Gates (on TEDx) has openly stated that reducing the human usage element (population reduction) is the only part of the energy consumption equation that can be easily addressed, then all their plans make perfect sense.

There are going to be just a whole lot less of us left alive here. Energy problem solved.

The goal of the elites is to maintain their lifestyle at all costs, without loss, at any cost to humanity.

They are the outright, genocidal spawn of Satan.

[Hamloc]

So what’s your plan to heat all your buildings when liberals ban fossil fuels altogether like they want ?
Or when they push the price of carbon to $170 or up to $250 like they are claiming ?
Just curious as 2030 is coming much faster than replacement for fossil fuels , especially in this Arctic environment we get for up to 3 months .
Like was said above by seldom seen , if they are truly concerned about CO2 , burning wood is just as evil if not worse for CO2 emissions.

I still see no plan from the liberals at all for options to heat our homes or even run heavy equipment on the farm , or the vast transportation system that is critical to this country that has one of the coldest environments on earth .

No doubt you have pointed out many times we still need fossil fuels as a base load , but that is not the liberal plan ... at all

Furrow I found a good website, you enter an address and it will tell you how much electricity per month year round a given sized solar system will produce: pvwatts.rel.gov.

You ask about energy replacement. This is a good question. As I have pointed out before 1 gigajoule of natural gas = 277 kwh of electricity. Also 1 gigajoule is equivalent to 25.5 cubic metres. In November I used 1 gigajoule of natural gas per day and 70 kwh of electricity per day(I will have used more in December haven’t got the bill yet). So 347 kwh of electricity equivalent per day, 10410 kwh for the month. Using the above website, I would require a 180000 watt solar system to produce that much energy per day and per month. Of course in the winter the solar system would only be generating for 6 to 7 hours, requiring battery storage for the other 17-18 hours. I did more looking and a roof mount grid tire solar system in Alberta is $2.50-$2.70 a watt installed. It wasn’t clear if that was before or after the federal rebate. Obviously a 180000 system would be a ground mount as it would cover an acre of land. Cost for the solar system alone would be in the neighborhood of $450000, battery storage and changes to heating and electrical systems in the shops and house are on top of that. Furrow this is what people like Steven Guilbeault, the federal environment minister, envision in the future!! Fml!

It has warmed up here this morning to -24, yesterday it was -32.

[jensend]

Furrow, you seem to be operating on the premise that you and most of us will even be around by 2030.

When you factor in that Bill Gates (on TEDx) has openly stated that reducing the human usage element (population reduction) is the only part of the energy consumption equation that can be easily addressed, then all their plans make perfect sense.

There are going to be just a whole lot less of us left alive here. Energy problem solved.

The goal of the elites is to maintain their lifestyle at all costs, without loss, at any cost to humanity.

They are the outright, genocidal spawn of Satan.

Try the decaf.

[chuckChuck]

Hamloc, nobody is suggesting solar alone is going to replace all other sources of electricity and energy so you can stop the spinning and bullshitting. Especially in Canada where we have 60% of electricity already coming from hydro.

This will be a transition over time and who knows what the total energy system will look like in the coming decades.

Even Steven Harper said we would stop using fossil fuels as energy sources by 2100. Steve the darling of the Alberta oil sector said that? LOL

[Hamloc]

Hamloc, nobody is suggesting solar alone is going to replace all other sources of electricity and energy so you can stop the spinning and bullshitting. Especially in Canada where we have 60% of electricity already coming from hydro.

This will be a transition over time and who knows what the total energy system will look like in the coming decades.

Even Steven Harper said we would stop using fossil fuels as energy sources by 2100. Steve the darling of the Alberta oil sector said that? LOL

Bullshitting you say, from an article in theenergymix.com, March 12, 2021, “Toronto has become the 21st Ontario city, and by definition the largest, urging the Ontario government to phase out fossil gas-fired power generation as soon as possible, after councillors and Mayor John Tory adopted a resolution supporting a provincial ban by a 21-2 margin. I believe Vancouver as an example has put in its building code no natural gas hook up to new construction. So no I am not bullshitting.

At 7:48 today 1.86% of Alberta’s power is coming from hydroelectric generation, wind 8.1%, solar 0 and natural gas 70.2%.

[shtferbrains]

Hamloc, nobody is suggesting solar alone is going to replace all other sources of electricity and energy so you can stop the spinning and bullshitting. Especially in Canada where we have 60% of electricity already coming from hydro.

This will be a transition over time and who knows what the total energy system will look like in the coming decades.

Even Steven Harper said we would stop using fossil fuels as energy sources by 2100. Steve the darling of the Alberta oil sector said that? LOL

Good to see your not on board with Mr Treudau's unattainable 2030 target Chuck. Might be some indication other like minded may see them as pie in the sky promises he is known for.

Lets go with Harpers goals. By 2100 they won't even know what you are talking about.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good to see your not on board with Mr Treudau's unattainable 2030 target Chuck. Might be some indication other like minded may see them as pie in the sky promises he is known for.

Lets go with Harpers goals. By 2100 they won't even know what you are talking about.

Isn't it just heart warming on a cold day to see Chuck making so much progress towards accepting reality.
I honestly had zero expectations that all of our efforts would ever yield any results.

That takes a lot of guts to publicly go against all of his previous stances, and against his own NFU, and the policies of the NDP and Liberals, to refute the propaganda coming from the CBC, the Narwhal, the Tyee etc.
Perhaps he will start bringing this common sense to the next meetings, and in his letters to the editor.

And more amazingly, to openly contradict his fellow former CWB left wing posters, such as Integrity Farmer and his anti natural gas rhetoric.
That is showing some real integrity.

If Chuck can see the light, then maybe there is hope for our political class after all.

[seldomseen]

I am guessing this long cold spell has made Chuck realize how important that gas line running into his yard is.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Hamloc, nobody is suggesting solar alone is going to replace all other sources of electricity and energy so you can stop the spinning and bullshitting. Especially in Canada where we have 60% of electricity already coming from hydro.

This will be a transition over time and who knows what the total energy system will look like in the coming decades.

Even Steven Harper said we would stop using fossil fuels as energy sources by 2100. Steve the darling of the Alberta oil sector said that? LOL

How true.
But it does bring up one important question. If no one knows what the energy system will look like in the coming decades, how can we possibly mandate an outcome only 8 years from now? Doesn't that indicate that someone must know, otherwise how could it be mandated? Our politicians wouldn't possibly mandate something without knowing how or if it is possible would they? Keeping in mind that 2030 is only 8 years away now.

[riders2010]

Buy a Ford..fantastic heaters.

Too many lawsuits people freezing to death
Waiting for tow trucks after break downs.

[Partners]

Too many lawsuits people freezing to death
Waiting for tow trucks after break downs.

Say what?

[furrowtickler]

Hamloc, nobody is suggesting solar alone is going to replace all other sources of electricity and energy so you can stop the spinning and bullshitting. Especially in Canada where we have 60% of electricity already coming from hydro.

This will be a transition over time and who knows what the total energy system will look like in the coming decades.

Even Steven Harper said we would stop using fossil fuels as energy sources by 2100. Steve the darling of the Alberta oil sector said that? LOL

Maybe by 2100 Harper will be right
But until a viable , affordable, reliable source is ready for western Canada , the Liberal targets are complete fairy tails that will cause tremendous hardship in cold climates like western Canada especially

[seldomseen]

OH and Chucky
While you enjoy your nice warm house and shop on these very cold days at a very affordable price maybe say Thank you to the guy that made it all possible. Grant Devine!

[chuckChuck]

How true.
But it does bring up one important question. If no one knows what the energy system will look like in the coming decades, how can we possibly mandate an outcome only 8 years from now? Doesn't that indicate that someone must know, otherwise how could it be mandated? Our politicians wouldn't possibly mandate something without knowing how or if it is possible would they? Keeping in mind that 2030 is only 8 years away now.

A5 What does 2030 have to do with Canada's pledge to be carbon neutral by 2050?

What mandate in 8 years are you referring to? Are you making stuff up again? Or do you just don't know what you are talking about?

Canada's commitment is to go net neutral is by 2050.

"Canada has joined over 120 countries in committing to be net-zero emissions by 2050, including all other G7 nations (United Kingdom, United States, Germany, Italy, France, and Japan), A number of provinces and cities have already made net-zero-by-2050 commitments, including Guelph, Vancouver, Hamilton, Toronto, Halifax, Newfoundland and Labrador, and most recently Quebec. Prince Edward Island has also pledged to reach net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2040. Nova Scotia and British Columbia have put into place, or plan to put into place, provincial net-zero-by-2050 legislation."

How Canada can decarbonize by 2050

https://www2.deloitte.com/ca/en/pages/strategy/articles/how-canada-can-decarbonize-by-2050.html

Deloite lists in broad terms the following that can be done to get to net zero:
Renewable energy, Nature based solutions, energy efficiency, electrification. fuel switching, methane management. They also cite several emerging technologies including carbon capture utilization and storage, hydrogen, direct air capture, small modular reactors.

Who knows what will be accomplished by 2050. But are you sure that we won't be a long way down the road to getting to net zero?

But since you believe more carbon dioxide and greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are a good thing there is not much point in you discussing how we are going to get to net zero is there? LOL

Meanwhile, it must be difficult for you to witness the shutdown of coal fired plants, the adoption of cleaner gas and the rapid and large installation of renewable energy capacity in you beloved Alberta. Jeez A5 that sounds like the momentum to net zero in Alberta is happening whether you like it or not.