Ad hoc payment question

[zeefarmer]

Size isn't the concern at this point ...its about salvaging the industry as a whole...

If there isn't an adhoc...young guys are done...if they get a job they will realize a walmart greeter makes a better living just for showing up...

And in reality no adhoc allows more Monette types to show up...

No adhocs is how we got here in the first place. people left and didn't or couldn't return.

Very narrow view to worry about the big guys...in reality by arguing against an adhoc ...indirectly you are promoting bigger farms..

Consolidation is going to happen whether you like it or not. Maybe an adhoc payment should go to older landlords with the stipulation they give a young guy a deal on rent or purchase.

[jazz]

If there isn't an adhoc...young guys are done....

bucket, just curous our young uns cant handle a single bad yr? I know the ag more than ever crowd is aggressive and all, but a single yr wont break these guys will it?

We have had weather disasters before and seem to recover. But then I wasnt making forward contracts back then and paying $100 ac rents.

[bucket]

bucket, just curous our young uns cant handle a single bad yr? I know the ag more than ever crowd is aggressive and all, but a single yr wont break these guys will it?

We have had weather disasters before and seem to recover. But then I wasnt making forward contracts back then and paying $100 ac rents.

What is the point of setting guys back a few years just because...

I could ask the same questions as to why the general population couldn't handle the pandemic on their own???

Not being argumentative just throwing some wide angle perspective to it.

Bail out the general population and air lines etc....this government should be able to bail out agriculture..

Every generation has had it....if you look back. Thats why there are 4th and 5th generation farmers.

[GDR]

There will be no ad hoc payment whether there should be or not. If there were to be anything it would be done through Agstab, they have stated that other times. ( I'm not in either)

Regardless a per acre payment doesn't work because the production and expenses per acre are drastically different from one area to the next, reality is that any funding needs to be tied to production or income as they have tried to do with safety net programs.

[bucket]

There will be no ad hoc payment whether there should be or not. If there were to be anything it would be done through Agstab, they have stated that other times. ( I'm not in either)

Regardless a per acre payment doesn't work because the production and expenses per acre are drastically different from one area to the next, reality is that any funding needs to be tied to production or income as they have tried to do with safety net programs.

Probably no adhoc payment but you are competing against very large adhoc payments in the states.

[zeefarmer]

I sure hope the last part of your comment wasn’t serious.

Not one bit.

[SASKFARMER]

Trudeau just gave 20 million to make Toronto patios nicer. Give your head shake farmers we do more than a curb side little pub but were not in vote-rich Ontario so were ****ed.

[ry0972]

An adhoc payment to AG would really help the economy and individual farmers both financially and mentally.
And the idiots in Ottawa have blown BILLIONS in eastern Canada and around the world withZERO retuen for this country!!
BUT I say no to any bailout/cash payment, debt write down programs for grain farmers.
I DO think the cattle industry (I do not have and have never had livestock) needs some serious help to get feed where it is needed and to maybe set a guaranteed price for guys that have to liquidate some or all of their herds. Not a tax credit but make the packers pay and not get animals for next to nothing while beef prices in the store continue to rise.
Since most grain farmers have had the best stretch of good yields and prices in history and now 1 total loss year in the last 10 to 20 depending on area SHOULD NOT require any GOV help!!
There is crop insurance, Ag-Stab, Agri-Invest, GARS and other forms of insurance.
I am only in Agri-Invest and still do not think there should be any type of payment.
If there is it should be MAX of $25K to $50K and done in a way that you can only get that max amount no matter how many corps, partnerships etc you have or are part of.
Export sales reporting and true unbiased crop conditions would have paid farms $100 to $300 and acre last year if the true state of the crop inventory/carryover, export forward sales and crop conditions had be reported.

[J88]

If we have a Sept election great promises can be made Liberal or Conservative. If Trudeau puts money on the table before the writ drops he gains more votes. That ain’t helping us

[jazz]

I don't feel the least bit guilty if they send out an adhoc payment.

I am sure a payment can be arranged in exchange for a Trudeau majority just like NS did.

Personally I will take a knife to the eye before I could do that.