Opinion Poll

[Taiga]

True, I meant if dirty diesel remained carbon tax free (for farm) and clean NG was taxed into oblivion. Only a Liberal can wrap their head around that one and make a justification.

[furrowtickler]

With growing seasons in this area getting shorter it seems , carbon tax at $170 let alone the $250 they want to get to is by far the biggest concern .
I can’t believe Canadians are getting lead down this carbon tax path ..
again not against renewable energy at all but to be financially decimated for near zero end result is ludicrous

[jazz]

True, I meant if dirty diesel remained carbon tax free (for farm) and clean NG was taxed into oblivion. Only a Liberal can wrap their head around that one and make a justification.

It get even more comical, first they are totally ignoring the only viable alternative we have - are there any nuclear plants on the books? They take 10 yrs to permit and build. Not even under consideration.

Then by raising prices of the sources we do have, they will incentivize capital to come in and find more supply, thus lowering the prices below the competing renewables again and voila, the FF age is extended another decade or two. The exact opposite outcome. Taxes never work the way they are intended. They just distort markets until they are abandoned.

I can’t believe Canadians are getting lead down this carbon tax path ..

How does a govt sell a policy like that? By telling everyone someone else will pay and they will get rebates back, until they dont. You just know Trudeau is going to pull that rug out after he gets elected.

[Guest]

Simple question, as a farmer in Canada which is a greater threat to your future viability the C02 levels in the atmosphere or a federal carbon tax that is projected to reach $170 CAD by 2030?

The definitive answer is CO2. The current and rising levels are such that the ecology cannot keep up. The anthropogenic cause has created an unprecedented change, climate change. Yes CO2 forms part of plant sugars but the relatively small rise in the atmosphere serves only to influence the climate. Unless you can control CO2 replacement rates, humidity, temperature like in a greenhouse, the increased levels in the atmosphere on their own have a negligible effect on crop yields.

Nutrient depletion is also well known
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-nutrients/

[Guest]

$170 in 2030 is only $45 in todays money. Besides nobody in their right mind will keep farming the way they do and willingly but reluctantly pay that level of tax in 2030

[Guest]

True, I meant if dirty diesel remained carbon tax free (for farm) and clean NG was taxed into oblivion. Only a Liberal can wrap their head around that one and make a justification.

quite simple actually , quebec, and eastern canada is mostly heating oil and electric, tiny bit of propane for heat in houses, virtually no natural gas
you will note your power bill has about 25% of the carbon tax of your nat gas bill , easy to figure out
this is a direct hit on the west , nothing more , nothing less

[Hamloc]

$170 in 2030 is only $45 in todays money. Besides nobody in their right mind will keep farming the way they do and willingly but reluctantly pay that level of tax in 2030

So you think farming is going to be re invented by 2030? You think in 10 years a whole new line of farming equipment will be designed and built that runs on what? Can you afford a whole new line of equipment? How does regenerative agriculture work without some livestock? Pull your head out of the clouds!

[furrowtickler]

quite simple actually , quebec, and eastern canada is mostly heating oil and electric, tiny bit of propane for heat in houses, virtually no natural gas
you will note your power bill has about 25% of the carbon tax of your nat gas bill , easy to figure out
this is a direct hit on the west , nothing more , nothing less

Exactly, why people ignore to accept this is beyond me .

[furrowtickler]

So you think farming is going to be re invented by 2030? You think in 10 years a whole new line of farming equipment will be designed and built that runs on what? Can you afford a whole new line of equipment? How does regenerative agriculture work without some livestock? Pull your head out of the clouds!

Why would bin care ? Bin Lurkin now lives in Australia or claims ...... or just like tweety who lied about being a farmer ?
Not sure but credibility is near zero with trolls who lie about who they are only here to try and belittle nearly everyone Else who is actually a farmer .

Regardless, I agree regenerative Ag does not work very well without livestock and livestock is being crucified by the woke enviro crazies so good luck long term with that . Unless you want to raise non farting cows that won’t be slaughtered till old age and don’t drink water that should be saved for ducks and geese .
I can see more push to green cover crops to help reduce N use . But if the beef cattle industry continues to get scrutinized and 3D “meat” comes , what then ?
I guess just plow down green manure , but then unless you have electric powered tractors how will on afford the carbon taxes on the fuel to use in the tractor to plow down ?
Ah so many scenarios lol
Happy New Years to all ..
a lot of changes coming our way ... DYODD 👍🤓

[Oliver88]

Could be differentiated that you deducted interest costs on farmland purchase, the Toronto homeowner could not.


I think if they decide to go after cg on farmland it will not be a challenge for them, but I suspect if they do they will be going after residential capital gains also, why wouldnt they?

The same thing Trudeau bases all of his policies after......VOTES.
Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Maritimes will be his target voters.