They aren't anywhere near ready for deployment and the costs could be so high that renewables like hydro, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar with storage will be much cheaper. We are decades away from small nuclear.
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostThe one modular nuclear plant in the article will produce up to 195 megawatts. For shits and giggles I looked up how many acres of solar panels tp produce a megawatt of electricity. The one research article I read said 8 acres, so 195 megawatts would take 1560 acres. So I wonder is the molten salt reactor or a bunch of solar panels better for the environment? As for our Prime Minister let’s see $295 million to Ford to build electric cars, $20 million for nuclear power hmmmm.
"The study utilized light detection and ranging (LiDAR)–based scans of buildings as well as statistical techniques to estimate rooftop solar PV potential. The study found that of the 116.9 million residential buildings in the U.S., there are 67.2 million buildings (57% of the total) suitable for solar PV. Total generation potential was nearly 1,000 terawatt-hour (TWh), which is about 75% of residential consumption (although not necessarily without economical power storage options)."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/04/29/the-solar-power-potential-of-rooftops-in-the-u-s/#7860d9915109 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/04/29/the-solar-power-potential-of-rooftops-in-the-u-s/#7860d9915109
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Some day all those solar panels will be recycled into car windshields and we will be buying a tiny nuclear fist that plugs into our pole in the yard, lasts forever and powers minute power packs for our cars, trucks, planes. But until then the US will blow 12 trillion dollars destroying the oil industry. “ The brainiaksâ€.
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostThey aren't anywhere near ready for deployment and the costs could be so high that renewables like hydro, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar with storage will be much cheaper. We are decades away from small nuclear.
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Yup 1 decade until the company says they will be ready. Add another decade to their plans just to be safe. And then there is the approval, regulatory and deployment which will probably be another decade or 2. So decades is proabably accurate.
I am assuming you want one in your back yard?
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostYou do realize there are many acres of house and commercial buildings with roofs that can have solar on them.
"The study utilized light detection and ranging (LiDAR)–based scans of buildings as well as statistical techniques to estimate rooftop solar PV potential. The study found that of the 116.9 million residential buildings in the U.S., there are 67.2 million buildings (57% of the total) suitable for solar PV. Total generation potential was nearly 1,000 terawatt-hour (TWh), which is about 75% of residential consumption (although not necessarily without economical power storage options)."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/04/29/the-solar-power-potential-of-rooftops-in-the-u-s/#7860d9915109 https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/04/29/the-solar-power-potential-of-rooftops-in-the-u-s/#7860d9915109
Try to keep it realistic to here
Maybe Klause can give realistic numbers again
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostYup 1 decade until the company says they will be ready. Add another decade to their plans just to be safe. And then there is the approval, regulatory and deployment which will probably be another decade or 2. So decades is proabably accurate.
I am assuming you want one in your back yard?
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Its not going to be only solar its going to be hydro, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar with storage, hydrogen and maybe some nuclear that will replace fossil fuels and who knows what other energy sources are developed.
Fossil fuels will be saved and available for feedstock for materials and chemicals.
Its going to be a long transition that will be dependent on many factors in every different location.
Don't worry you are not going to freeze in the dark unless an asteroid hits!
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostIts not going to be only solar its going to be hydro, geothermal, tidal, wind and solar with storage, hydrogen and maybe some nuclear that will replace fossil fuels and who knows what other energy sources are developed.
Fossil fuels will be saved and available for feedstock for materials and chemicals.
Its going to be a long transition that will be dependent on many factors in every different location.
Don't worry you are not going to freeze in the dark unless an asteroid hits!
And never a mention from the solar advocates of the bad side . There will be and is a massive landfill issue
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Originally posted by Hamloc View PostThe one modular nuclear plant in the article will produce up to 195 megawatts. For shits and giggles I looked up how many acres of solar panels tp produce a megawatt of electricity. The one research article I read said 8 acres, so 195 megawatts would take 1560 acres. So I wonder is the molten salt reactor or a bunch of solar panels better for the environment? As for our Prime Minister let’s see $295 million to Ford to build electric cars, $20 million for nuclear power hmmmm.
1560 acres of solar panels = 1 modular nuclear plant
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Originally posted by beaverdam View PostWe need small nuclear plants, not solar. Till then, we need to burn organic fuels,,, organic fuels that come from decaying plants and animals from thousands of years ago.
Lingering Legacy: Millions of Toxic Solar Panels That Can’t Be Recycled Destined for Landfills
https://stopthesethings.com/2020/10/10/lingering-legacy-millions-of-toxic-solar-panels-that-cant-be-recycled-destined-for-landfills/amp/
sorry with the dead link,,, here it is hot.
https://stopthesethings.com/2020/10/10/lingering-legacy-millions-of-toxic-solar-panels-that-cant-be-recycled-destined-for-landfills/amp https://stopthesethings.com/2020/10/10/lingering-legacy-millions-of-toxic-solar-panels-that-cant-be-recycled-destined-for-landfills/amp
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And the oil industry doesn't have an agenda?
Why would you want to buy electricity when you can make a lot of your own with solar that will be cheaper and cleaner in the long run?
CNH just put up a solar system in Saskatoon to cover 8% of their electricity for manufacturing! Say Whaaat?
I guess they did this because it doesn't work in dark and cold Saskatoon!
Its the black and white, all or nothing crowd who can't understand the word transition as we add some cleaner renewables like wind, solar where appropriate and still keep using some fossil fuels for awhile yet. Just like Sask Power is doing.
Still using your dial up party lines yet? Or do you have a smart phone? LOLLast edited by chuckChuck; Oct 24, 2020, 10:07.
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So we are willing to carbon tax ourselves to oblivion for 8% ? And still have a changing climate
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostAnd the oil industry doesn't have an agenda?
Why would you want to buy electricity when you can make a lot of your own with solar that will be cheaper and cleaner in the long run?
CNH just put up a solar system in Saskatoon to cover 8% of their electricity for manufacturing! Say Whaaat?
I guess they did this because it doesn't work in dark and cold Saskatoon!
Its the black and white, all or nothing crowd who can't understand the word transition as we add some cleaner renewables like wind, solar where appropriate and still keep using some fossil fuels for awhile yet. Just like Sask Power is doing.
Still using your dial up party lines yet? Or do you have a smart phone? LOL
But on my farm with a shop, house a few yardlights and 15 areation fans my power bill is just over $3000 annually. It probably makes less sense.
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Originally posted by chuckChuck View PostAnd the oil industry doesn't have an agenda?
Why would you want to buy electricity when you can make a lot of your own with solar that will be cheaper and cleaner in the long run?
CNH just put up a solar system in Saskatoon to cover 8% of their electricity for manufacturing! Say Whaaat?
I guess they did this because it doesn't work in dark and cold Saskatoon!
Its the black and white, all or nothing crowd who can't understand the word transition as we add some cleaner renewables like wind, solar where appropriate and still keep using some fossil fuels for awhile yet. Just like Sask Power is doing.
Still using your dial up party lines yet? Or do you have a smart phone? LOL
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