For Chuck

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Go ahead and show us the math to back up your arguments. If you are not to busy?

Did you bother to read the article? Can you find any faults with the facts presented? I've asked multiple times for you to provide an example where unreliables haven't increased costs disproportionately, and you have failed to find even a single example. And yes, I am TOO busy( better catch that before Grassfarmer comes along to correct us).

[Hamloc]

Good article AB5. Not surprised Chuck couldn't understand it. There is no doubt that ideology limits all of our abilities to comprehend certain concepts. Those who appear to have a left leaning bias like Chuck refuse to admit the inefficiency of renewables and try to use decisions by governments who are driven by uninformed public opinion as a gauge of the viability of such things as renewables. My personal opinion is if you want to make a business unprofitable and the service it provides unaffordable get government involved. Enjoy your day.

[grassfarmer]

... So it is just a random coincidence that grid distribution costs happened to go up disproportionately and coincidentally in every single jurisdiction where unreliables were also increased to unsustainable levels....

So maybe you could explain the meteoric rise in grid distribution costs in Alberta during the reign of the last few PC administrations? Hint: It wasn't anything to do with renewables - google AltaLink.

[wd9]

2007 called, they want their Forbes report back......

https://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2018/11/solar-and-wind-now-the-cheapest-power-source-says-bloombergnef.html https://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2018/11/solar-and-wind-now-the-cheapest-power-source-says-bloombergnef.html

The report out today says that solar and/or onshore wind are now the economic generation source of choice, even in China and India “where not long ago, coal was king. In India, best-in-class solar and wind plants are now half the cost of new coal plants.”

As electric vehicle manufacturing ramps-up, battery costs are set to drop another 66 per cent by 2030, according to BNEF’s analysis. This, in turn, means cheaper battery storage for the power sector, lowering the cost of peak power and flexible capacity to levels never reached before by conventional fossil-fuel peaking plants.

[Horse]

So maybe you could explain the meteoric rise in grid distribution costs in Alberta during the reign of the last few PC administrations? Hint: It wasn't anything to do with renewables - google AltaLink.

I was on the board for our REA and you are right it was King Ralph, and he gave it to Steve West to administer(and a bigger asshole there never was) at our convention he stood up there and declared by god he wanted deregulation and by god the minons had better supply, at the time the liberals clamed it would cost the taxpayers 17 billion whitch at the time i thought that was high,but as it played out that was probably low,and it turned out as reregulation not deregulation. Thank a PC

[malleefarmer]

Question to chcuk was why is power going up.

Call me dumb but weve had a few 50yr old power stations shut down less power generated less supply add same or more demand power companies increase price simple as that.

Put your power comapny hat on hmm are we gonna build a new plant for start up in 10 yrs time if there is gonna be 50% renewable whos gonna buy my power if demand is not there? Am i going to cut my margin to be a nice company and supply cheap power to the people??

Nuclear is the way to go for cheap power sadly aint gonna happen anytime soon in oz.

But comparing my situation to snowy western canada are 180 degrees different probably. Number of days we get 100% cloudy with little or no sun in a year reckon you could count them on one hand.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Apparently I'm just not very good at this spurious correlations game, because I just wouldn't have drawn the connection between Alberta deregulating electricity, and Germany and Australia enjoying meteoric rises in electricity bills a couple of decades later. But perhaps that is why I'm having so much trouble with the CO2 correlation as well, but since it is that obvious to others, it is obviously a deficiency on my part that I can't see it.

[malleefarmer]

Apparently I'm just not very good at this spurious correlations game, because I just wouldn't have drawn the connection between Alberta deregulating electricity, and Germany and Australia enjoying meteoric rises in electricity bills a couple of decades later. But perhaps that is why I'm having so much trouble with the CO2 correlation as well, but since it is that obvious to others, it is obviously a deficiency on my part that I can't see it.

Well AF5 im a fan of deregulation in many industries but boy oh boy you hit the nail on the head in electricity its a abject failure. Theres only one state that has "partial" deregulation and rest of oz is free market yep the state with some govt intervention still has cheapest prices by far.

Shoot me down as a commo im not deregualation has worked in grain in wool in water public transport many things but NOT power.

Hopefully i aint lost any friends on here as my stance on electricity aint mainstream agriville

[SASKFARMER3]

Chuck you have no Clue.

My power bill in Florida is lower than my power bill in Regina and its the same size home.

[grassfarmer]

Apparently I'm just not very good at this spurious correlations game, because I just wouldn't have drawn the connection between Alberta deregulating electricity, and Germany and Australia enjoying meteoric rises in electricity bills a couple of decades later. But perhaps that is why I'm having so much trouble with the CO2 correlation as well, but since it is that obvious to others, it is obviously a deficiency on my part that I can't see it.

Bingo - you can't understand the facts despite them being right on your doorstep but you claim to be an expert on the situation in countries on the other side of the world. At least you can admit your shortcomings - that's a start.