Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,
As I, in my last post to "Walterm,
I agree this whole levy royalty discussion... has been rather pointless. With Upov 91 and PBR in place... the folks who actually plan and provide valuable genetics... have all the tools needed to be fairly compensated for the Intellectual Property they would be sharing with farmers in western Canada growing cereals with new advanced productivity and quality enhancements that would deserve added income payments."

The 11 to 1 return on public investments... is generally meant to show productivity enhancements, profitability increases.... to commercial grain growers/endusers who enjoy 95% of these ROI gains. As CSGA seed farmer/growers... do not share in levy/royalty revenues collected from All pedigreed seed production... from select seed [down the 7 possible generations to Certified cereal seed sales]... farmer pedigreed multipliers are only collecting and paying the often $1.50/bu royalty... paying 100% to seed co's with the contracts with the plant breeder/institutions... Again for clarity...Cereal pedigreed seed production for farmers who multiply seed to the certified seed level... only involves PAYING ROYALTIES[not getting any portion of these royalties themselves]. As well...Trailing contract royalties would not be a revenue generation source either; for Pedigreed stock seed increases; by farmer pedigreed seed growers[no financial gain projected or expected]...

With a very major seed co[contracting [with plant breeders/institutions] being Secan[who is a non-profit]...as 100% of the increased 'new' royalties will flow into new seed R&D...
And as no funds are paid out to any shareholder/members...
Then This results in our Canadian co-operative based pedigreed seed distribution system itself... naturally as a matter of course... creates a Canadian seed system 'discipline' in our varietal cereal development models... as private profit seed co.s must compete with our Canadian seed co-ops... that are non-profit and return 100% of royalty revenues back to R&D... just as you asked be a part of a future seed system model.
Have a good day, Sincerely Tom

Any comments on my suggestion or are the sponsors on weekend break?????

[bucket]

Tom4$4himself

You forgot to mention your markup on certified seed sales...usually 2 to 3 times market value of the best year....

Don't ****ing say seed growers don't make money....you have certified seed sales for all your work and then the common seed sales at higher prices as well....


I think if this tax is implemented then we should be paying market price for certified seed and the royalty can take care of the industry.....

[farmaholic]

What do you sell your certified seed for?

Bucket,
As I, in my last post to "Walterm,
I agree this whole levy royalty discussion... has been rather pointless. With Upov 91 and PBR in place... the folks who actually plan and provide valuable genetics... have all the tools needed to be fairly compensated for the Intellectual Property they would be sharing with farmers in western Canada growing cereals with new advanced productivity and quality enhancements that would deserve added income payments."

The 11 to 1 return on public investments... is generally meant to show productivity enhancements, profitability increases.... to commercial grain growers/endusers who enjoy 95% of these ROI gains. As CSGA seed farmer/growers... do not share in levy/royalty revenues collected from All pedigreed seed production... from select seed [down the 7 possible generations to Certified cereal seed sales]... farmer pedigreed multipliers are only collecting and paying the often $1.50/bu royalty... paying 100% to seed co's with the contracts with the plant breeder/institutions... Again for clarity...Cereal pedigreed seed production for farmers who multiply seed to the certified seed level... only involves PAYING ROYALTIES[not getting any portion of these royalties themselves]. As well...Trailing contract royalties would not be a revenue generation source either; for Pedigreed stock seed increases; by farmer pedigreed seed growers[no financial gain projected or expected]...

With a very major seed co[contracting [with plant breeders/institutions] being Secan[who is a non-profit]...as 100% of the increased 'new' royalties will flow into new seed R&D...
And as no funds are paid out to any shareholder/members...
Then This results in our Canadian co-operative based pedigreed seed distribution system itself... naturally as a matter of course... creates a Canadian seed system 'discipline' in our varietal cereal development models... as private profit seed co.s must compete with our Canadian seed co-ops... that are non-profit and return 100% of royalty revenues back to R&D... just as you asked be a part of a future seed system model.
Have a good day, Sincerely Tom

[TOM4CWB]

Side note to Bucket... as End use customers enjoy part of the 11 to 1 multiplier ROI... perhaps it is only fair... commercial grain buyers... and end use consumers... Directly pay some % into cereal seed R&D themselves. Cheers

Bucket,
As I, in my last post to "Walterm,
I agree this whole levy royalty discussion... has been rather pointless. With Upov 91 and PBR in place... the folks who actually plan and provide valuable genetics... have all the tools needed to be fairly compensated for the Intellectual Property they would be sharing with farmers in western Canada growing cereals with new advanced productivity and quality enhancements that would deserve added income payments."

The 11 to 1 return on public investments... is generally meant to show productivity enhancements, profitability increases.... to commercial grain growers/endusers who enjoy 95% of these ROI gains. As CSGA seed farmer/growers... do not share in levy/royalty revenues collected from All pedigreed seed production... from select seed [down the 7 possible generations to Certified cereal seed sales]... farmer pedigreed multipliers are only collecting and paying the often $1.50/bu royalty... paying 100% to seed co's with the contracts with the plant breeder/institutions... Again for clarity...Cereal pedigreed seed production for farmers who multiply seed to the certified seed level... only involves PAYING ROYALTIES[not getting any portion of these royalties themselves]. As well...Trailing contract royalties would not be a revenue generation source either; for Pedigreed stock seed increases; by farmer pedigreed seed growers[no financial gain projected or expected]...

With a very major seed co[contracting [with plant breeders/institutions] being Secan[who is a non-profit]...as 100% of the increased 'new' royalties will flow into new seed R&D...
And as no funds are paid out to any shareholder/members...
Then This results in our Canadian co-operative based pedigreed seed distribution system itself... naturally as a matter of course... creates a Canadian seed system 'discipline' in our varietal cereal development models... as private profit seed co.s must compete with our Canadian seed co-ops... that are non-profit and return 100% of royalty revenues back to R&D... just as you asked be a part of a future seed system model.
Have a good day, Sincerely Tom

[farmaholic]

How much do you sell certified seed for Tom?

I realize there are extra production costs, lay it all out for us to see, "justify" it for us.

Side note to Bucket... as End use customers enjoy part of the 11 to 1 multiplier ROI... perhaps it is only fair... commercial grain buyers... and end use consumers... Directly pay some % into cereal seed R&D themselves. Cheers

[blackjack]

Total bs Tom one being a rancher the end user has always lowered their bid to ensure the profit.It would be the same in the grain industry who are you kidding.

[TOM4CWB]

Farmaholic,
As often 50% or more of our certified seed... is most sold/disposed of as commercial grain;
As we work co-operatively on a % share of seed sales our co-op sells each year... our 'share margin' from farm seed revenues are most often average under 5% of commercial grain value on a composite basis projected over 10 years. Cheers

What do you sell your certified seed for?

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Bucket,
As rotations... and pedigreed seed land use [for purity quality control] protocol requires over 50% of our production acreage be harvested as commercial grain... there are no seed revenues from 3/4 of our grain production. Cheers

Tom4$4himself

You forgot to mention your markup on certified seed sales...usually 2 to 3 times market value of the best year....

Don't ****ing say seed growers don't make money....you have certified seed sales for all your work and then the common seed sales at higher prices as well....


I think if this tax is implemented then we should be paying market price for certified seed and the royalty can take care of the industry.....

[farmaholic]

Geez Tom, hardly seems worth the effort, I guess I'll have to take your word.

50% cert sold as commercial because seed quality can't be met? Picked the wrong variety, hence no one wants it? Asking too much(after royalties, cleaning and handling, certification and inspection costs are all accounted for)?

I can honestly say I don't understand the "co-op" marketing thing....are you wholesaling it to a "Co-op" retailer or are you talking the Secan Co-operative dividend type payment.

Thanks in advance.

Farmaholic,
As often 50% or more of our certified seed... is most sold/disposed of as commercial grain;
As we work co-operatively on a % share of seed sales our co-op sells each year... our 'share margin' from farm seed revenues are most often average under 5% of commercial grain value on a composite basis projected over 10 years. Cheers

[farmaholic]

Is it not possible to diversify and extend rotations so more crops qualify for the certified category?

Thanks in advance again.

Dear Bucket,
As rotations... and pedigreed seed land use [for purity quality control] protocol requires over 50% of our production acreage be harvested as commercial grain... there are no seed revenues from 3/4 of our grain production. Cheers