Supply Management or NO DEAL

[15444]

Every farmer knows how subsidies prop up a dead American farming system. That is not a question. But the leader is supposed to counter attack with proposals to eliminate such US programs. Drama boy is an idiot. His ministers are idiots. No one in cabinet has a clue about economy, trade or negotiations.

Where is dipshit MacAulay offering his 2 cents on what ag subsidies should be negotiated for elimination? Nowhere, because the moron doesn't know the file! He thinks majority farmers want a carbon tax! Dumbest ag leader yet!

[fjlip]

Yes complicated but I have said it for years , even to the Feds, COPY ALL USA Ag programs and their will be no trade disputes...never happened. We have to be DIFFERENT! Made in Canada or Quebec.
Most dairies out west are GONE sold their quota for millions, BIL included. Same with poultry, neighbors all quit but one. Pay to play how DUMB is that?

[chuckChuck]

Yes complicated but I have said it for years , even to the Feds, COPY ALL USA Ag programs and their will be no trade disputes...never happened. We have to be DIFFERENT! Made in Canada or Quebec.
Most dairies out west are GONE sold their quota for millions, BIL included. Same with poultry, neighbors all quit but one. Pay to play how DUMB is that?

They should have never allowed quota to be bought and sold as it becomes an expensive barrier to entry and adds costs to the system. Now if supply management is ended, supply management farmers will demand compensation for lost quota value. It will be a big cost.

If the americans won't give up their direct and indirect subsidies why should we give up our better managed supply management system?

If some feel its is a burden on low income Canadians to pay more for supply managed products lets see the comparison of US and Canadian prices and cost of production comparisons. If there is a big difference you can solve that problem with an easy tax credit for low income earners. I prefer to eat better quality Canadian products and keep Canadian farmers in business.

Many farmers on this site complain about being ripped off by the free market for grain, inputs, transportation and machinery and yet want to destroy a system that makes sure you can cover your cost of production and stay in business.

[Horse]

Why should the taxpayer be stuck with the cost of quota, the dairy board is the ones that have forced the cost so dam high on a free item in the first place. As for us subsidies if one happens to have am irrigation on your farm and also milk doesn't that become double dipping. Lots of the milk farms have handed them down in the family to help inflate quotas, and oh boo 'hood I have made numerous bad business decisions and no one came to bail me out.

[Rareearth]

Why is it only dairy being talked about?

Why are Hutterites out of dairy now, moving to feathers etc?

There is more than one supply managed system with quota.

[GDR]

Why should the taxpayer be stuck with the cost of quota, the dairy board is the ones that have forced the cost so dam high on a free item in the first place. As for us subsidies if one happens to have am irrigation on your farm and also milk doesn't that become double dipping. Lots of the milk farms have handed them down in the family to help inflate quotas, and oh boo 'hood I have made numerous bad business decisions and no one came to bail me out.

So then if the government came to you and said we need your land for roads/utilities/development whatever and said we are taking it away for free because we dont want the taxpayers to bear the cost of buying it out you would be good with that? Quota is an asset and I would bet the lion's share of it in the west has been purchased in the last 15yrs and the cost is in the millions per farm. Very few generational dairies left that would have been involved in the introduction of the system. (maybe more in the east)

Give your head a shake and think about your fellow farmers. Your suggestion is on par with whats going on in South Africa.

[agstar77]

Trump's withdrawal from the G7 statement was really about Russia. The statement included a clause about punishing Russia for election interference. His rant used Trudeau's comments as an excuse. We can't have the Golden shower tapes come out can we?

[Oliver88]

Yes complicated but I have said it for years , even to the Feds, COPY ALL USA Ag programs and their will be no trade disputes...never happened. We have to be DIFFERENT! Made in Canada or Quebec.
Most dairies out west are GONE sold their quota for millions, BIL included. Same with poultry, neighbors all quit but one. Pay to play how DUMB is that?

You are 100% correct.

Copy all USA farm programs and they can’t complain at all.

[WiltonRanch]

Trump's withdrawal from the G7 statement was really about Russia. The statement included a clause about punishing Russia for election interference. His rant used Trudeau's comments as an excuse. We can't have the Golden shower tapes come out can we?

Must’ve been quite a summit. Captain Crayon hosting and all but the 800 lb orange haired tardy gorilla in the room. Like Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Ultimately, the price of Kota reflects supply and demand, No one forced anyone to pay these prices for the privilege to print money, Supply management has been on the chopping block for years, This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. They invested in it knowing the risks, No different than the rest of us investing in overpriced land or machinery. I don't expect the taxpayers to bail me out if My poor choices of investment go underwater.

Perhaps a gradual phaseout would be the better route to recover some of the quota costs rather than the taxpayers paying for it.