Complete Ban on Matador

[Klause]

Isn't matador a pyrethyroid? It's actually made from the chrysanthemum flower if I'm not mistaken. So they are gonna ban the closest thing to an organic insecticide?

Um... BTK is an organic insecticide with persistence... Safe to everything else. Why not use that and tell big chem companies to shove it? :P

Coragen is safe... But pricey. But like I said before the public and politicians will push us to do things their way wether or not it's right.

[WiltonRanch]

It is generally considered a safe and effective treatment, yes. Although using it a second time can cause death and seizures. Special exemption for that treatment. Been around since 1825. Same organochlorine group as DDT, banned internationally since 07.

And the rinse from one treatment absolutely contaminates 6 million gallons of water to fish who rapidly absorb the neurotoxin. It takes a special asshole company to still make it when pyrethrins work.

The latest FDA label update on Lindane.

The FDA is announcing important updates to the labeling of Lindane Shampoo and Lindane Lotion. These labeling updates are based on the information generated from FDA’s MedWatch program, a voluntary system for reporting side effects to FDA, and reports from medical journals. The FDA wants to update you and your caregivers using Lindane Shampoo or Lindane Lotion that:
serious side effects including seizures and deaths have been reported to the FDA in patients who use too much Lindane or after a second treatment with Lindane.
seizures can happen in some patients even if they use Lindane as directed.
Certain people are at higher risk to develop seizures and death from Lindane. This includes:
babies and children
elderly
people weighing less than 110 pounds (50 kg)
Serious side effects have been reported in patients who:
used a second application of Lindane too soon after the first
did not use Lindane as directed by their health care provider
should not have used Lindane
applied too much Lindane to the skin
Lindane products can cause serious side effects for many reasons, even when used as directed. It is important for patients and caregivers to understand how to properly use Lindane Shampoo and Lindane Lotion.

It persists in water, soil and even is found in the polar ice caps, it doesn't break down.

Are you arguing lindane is ok oneoff? Or just arguing?

But Matador? Can someone say if there is actually a problem or are they just getting industry to announce its use? I assume the latter.

With lindane was it really that great a fleabeatle killer? Remember last few years of lindane treatment and seemed damage was bad compared to today's stuff. More than anything think the issue here is seed companies have everything tied up including treatments so farmers pay. Back in the day you cleaned your own and treated it for **** all. Then 25-30 bu was a fair crop and wrecks were more common but your costs were lower and risk exposure was less. It turns into a circular argument.

[tweety]

Um... BTK is an organic insecticide with persistence... Safe to everything else. Why not use that and tell big chem companies to shove it? :P

Because it only kills caterpillars