Typical of Manitoba

[Klause]

Agree with you, kato.


foragefarmer, you proved my original point.

Don't read, don't understand, just attack.


For one thing, I spent 20 years in Manitoba...

I've seen Winnipeg in the summer and winter. What does that have to do with anything? It's poverty... it's bringing immigrants in and having no work for them. There is a MAJOR structural problem in Winnipeg.


Kato has it right. Why are we putting Native Canadians - many of which lived from hunting and trapping - into hotels in bad parts of Winnipeg and forgetting about them?


As far as your premise of me trucking in Manitoba, Bunge built a plant there. I haul for Bunge.

I don't wreck MB highways... they are the poorest in the Prairies already. I pay taxes through IRP to the MB government, and I buy fuel in Manitoba, and make sure they get their share through IFTA. I might add MB now has a higher fuel tax than SK does.

Sask farmers are contributing to the MB economy as much as I am by hauling canola there... creating Manitoba jobs. Paying for Manitoba highway maintenance (does that exist anymore??? It used to????) without being any sort of drag on the economy.


It's people with attitudes like yours that in part makes me grateful for moving. I can't stand the NDP mentality and the socialist BS. Manitoba has so much going for it. It needs better people in the legislature. End of story.


I'm not being a drag on MB... I"m saying the politicians... and those in Winnipeg who think that they are doing a good job... need to GO!!!

[burnt]

Klause - I agree that governments are guilty of severe mismanagement.

However, what about the quote attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville "people (in a democracy) get the government they deserve"?

This 19th-century French thinker had a fairly impressive grasp of things, according to these sites -

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexis_de_Tocqueville

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alexis_de_tocqueville.html

[foragefarmer]

Klaus

Reread my post, did I not say in my opinion all politians are useless. I never said the the NDP government was good, and will not miss them when they lose. So save your little rant for someone else.

As for attacking, just what were you doing with your description about Wpg. Klaus, you lived 20 years in rural Manitoba and you're an expert on the condition of Wpg. Do honesty believe all neighborhoods within Wpg are slums.Take a drive off the main Truck Routes and maybe you'll see what 95% of the neighborhoods look like. When you were in Wpg have you ever gone to the exchange district, The Forks, Assiniboine Park, Museum of Man and Nature, the brand new Airport, etc etc. Klaus,I doubt it very much. I have driven through Regina and Saskatoon on several occasions, and there were areas that were nothing to look at, but unlike you I'm not about to pass judgement.

As for immigrants, Wpg has the largest Filipino population in Canada. Klaus you obviously don't know anything about their work ethics or you wouldn't make the comment you made with regard to immigrants not working.

As for highways being the worst, #2 and 75 have been up graded. Of coarse there are some highways need improving and yes I will admit Ab. highways are in better condition than Mb. But since you now live in Sk take drive down #8 south of Redvers, before you start talking about highways. I'll bet there are others within Sk just as bad, because if there's one there's more.

Klaus,I'm a proud Manitoban so I really could careless about what someone like you has to say about Wpg. So move on you don't live in Mb. anymore.

So Klaus I guess in 20 years when you move to Ab. you can start to bad mouth Sk.

[Klause]

Well actually we flew out of that air port... I spent a lot of time in Winnipeg. And yes I was in thr Exchange district... it's not a rant... it's how it is.


Look I'm not going to get into an argument over which province is better. Manitoba has oil and gas it has vast amounts of timber. It has minerals. It has abundant hydro power.


And look at the state of the province... roads infrastructure. Finances.


I remember when it was against the law to have deficits.


Young people leave the province by the thousands.



You have that Winnipeg attitude. .. "what does klause know. He's from RURAL manitoba."


Manitoba has awesome parks and fishing and skiing.

There's a huge amount of history in Winnipeg...

and what has it come to? Not enough Money in Winnipeg's budget to plant flowers anymore!!!



I never said immigrants don't work hard. But look at what they are doing in MB... working for minimum wage... In poor conditions...



A pebble hauler in Winnipeg makes 14 bucks an hour. The same job here pays 23. Housing food etc. Cost the same.


If your not an NDP supporter what the heck are you arguing with me about?

[foragefarmer]

Klaus

Who's the one with attitude. You described Wpg as a slum and in my OPINION I don't agree with you. Your leaving the province, so I guess it's your choice to leave on a negative note. Hopefully you don't turn on Regina and Saskatoon in a few years.

[grassfarmer]

You still don't get it Klause - it's not about left being bad and right being good. That's an over simplification that clouds your thinking.

It's the same in Alberta, all the oil and gas yet look at the financial mess - and the roads are beaten to crap in most oil activity areas. I've heard people say the AB roads are worse than SK roads in places and that wasn't the case not so long ago.
I must say the only difference I noticed driving rural roads around Brandon/Killarney etc was that they had gravel hard shoulders versus paved here. Road surfaces were about the same.

Immigrants here work the minimum wage jobs too - is that different anywhere in Canada?

And I think foragefarmer is right to an extent - being dissatisfied with the area you came from is part of the process of relocating. If you didn't dislike it you wouldn't be motivated to move in the first place. I suspect with time you will lose the negative memories and remember the best parts with nostalgia.

[stonepicker]

Hmm, other cities may be as dirty as winnipeg but i believe winnipeg is still the murder capital of canada. ( helps keep our pop. down i guess ) grass and forage, how can you really compare us with alberta, in the last 30 years alta. pop. has what? doubled? ( not sure ) . mb. pop. in the last 30 years, stagnant? it hasn't grown like alta's i know that. alta has very little debt, mb. is swimming in debt, alta has a tremendous amount of economic activity, mb. has a little oil activity in the western part of the province. What we do have is the highest number of gov. employees per capita in canada.

[grassfarmer]

If Manitoba had taken in the resource revenue Alberta has over the last few decades I really doubt they could have squandered it much worse than AB has. They are no economic geniuses the Gov of AB don't be fooled.

[Klause]

Just look at Dauphin vs Yorkton. Dauphin used to have slightly more population almost 8,000... today Dauphin is 5000 people vs. Yorkton at 17,000.

Dauphin barely has a Walmart clearance center... Yorkton has a Super center.


Look at how Estevan and Weyburn have grown. Killarney and Virden barely change.



Don't forget the extra checkoff on cattle you sell in MB, grass

[seabass]

Klause u still pissed u picked Ethelbert to start farming? I would be to. Lol