Typical of Manitoba

[Braveheart]

Wind towers are really built for the carbon credits.

[seabass]

Too many free loaders here and the NDP loves that. They keep them sucking at the tit and in turn they keep voting for them. Sickening situation. Nothing smart gets done just more waste of tax dollars this province doesn't have.

[SASKFARMER3]

Hit the nail on the head.
Perimeter road is the zone.

[wakopa]

Okay correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure they were going to be built at there own expense with no substies from government ? It was very good tax money for our area ( windmills ).

[Braveheart]

Wakopa, that's all true. But, the reason they were built was so heavy emitters could get carbon credits. Power generation was secondary.

[grassfarmer]

Probably wasn't your intention with this thread Klause but I think it highlights, along with others comments how as farmers we have more in common with each other if we could see past reducing everything to a right wing/left wing battle.

Your comment about people in Manitoba with a business or wealth being "an enemy of the state" struck a cord as that is what people who are negatively affected by energy sector development in Alberta become - absolutely an "enemy of the state" and that exact term is used here often.

Braveheart's experience of being on a list that the Government will not communicate with is no different in my mind than leaders of farm groups in AB being denied an audience with either the Provincial Ag minister or the Federal MP in their own constituency.

As bucket and later stonepicker said it's the state of democracy. I truly believe that. We have a very weak democracy in Canada in that we are not making it work for us.

Burnt adds that many of the same problems seem to prevail in Ontario.
I think as farmers we all suffer from being that 2% or less of the population while the country becomes increasingly urban. I don't think in that respect there will be much difference between Winnipeg, Vancouver or Toronto - farms and farmers are not something they care much about.

As far as farm policy development I can see where this has really hit us. Instead of at one time the Standing Committee on Agriculture travelling the country meeting with stakeholders before making decisions now the decisions are made sitting in offices in Ottawa after meeting with lobbyists of big business and the MPs/MLAs don't feel they have to answer communications from their constituents.

Looks to me like democracy is largely being taken for granted by the people and when that happens the politicians get lazy - it's human nature. How to reverse this trend is not an easy question to answer.

[Braveheart]

Grassfarmer, right on on all points. First, everyone's opinion/lobby regardless of political leanings deserves respect.

I once had a Liberal MP who just didn't like my lobby pressure literally shout at me "The House of Parliament is the most democratic institution in the world. How dare say we don't understand." Just saying that proved to me his brand of democracy wasn't mine.

[foragefarmer]

Klaus

Boy are you ever sticking out your neck out here on Agriville bashing the Manitoba NDP Government. We all know the majority of posters on here detest the NDP party in general, so it takes a lot of balls on your behalf to start a thread like yours in a nice safe place.I personally think there all useless, as many other posters have stated above.

Klaus your post that followed was the one that show how little you know about Manitoba and Winnipeg as a whole:

"Kind of like people saying Winnipeg is an awesome metropolis... I've been in Winnipeg. .. Calgary... Edmonton... Regina... Saskatoon... Buenos Aires... Minneapolis... Fargo..."

"Of all of those Winnipeg is the dirtiest slummiest city".

I have been in every city you mention above, with the exception of Buenos Aires, and let me tell you in the winter they all look the same. Klaus in case you haven't realized it, snow turns brown when you salt and gravel streets. I was recently in Edmonton and it looked dirty as well, but I understood why.

Klaus if Winnipeger's are proved of where they live, that's a positive thing, in what way is this any of your concern. I have family and friends who live in Wpg and their neighborhoods are well taken of, and in no way look like slums as you describe them.

Klaus reread BTO's thread "Things to hate about Manitoba" a few pages back. Many posters mention many positive things they like about Wpg. Educate your self a little it won't hurt you.

Klaus you stated you moved from Manitoba, if you dislike it so much why are you running truck up and down our highways.

Klaus, I guess now you'll be suggesting to Agriville Admn I be banned from this site for stating my opinion as well.

[bucket]

Stonepicker

Don't you think we are still picking up the demurrage charges?

[kato]

I'm a proud Manitoban. I am now on the farm, but grew up in Winnipeg, so I've seen both sides of it. There is a general condition there that we call Perimeteritis, and it has been getting worse as time goes by and people lose their connections to the farm. We all know it, and live with it. But it's the Perimeteritis of the politicians that is the trouble.

I've always thought the NDP would be perfectly happy to just turn the rural parts of Manitoba into a provincial park. How many times rural people have bit the bullet and been flooded so the fancy riverside homes in the city will be saved can hardly even be counted any more. And what has been happening with the First Nation people who have been living in hotels for years now due to those floods is a disgrace. To say nothing of the fact that they could have built every one of them a brand new house for a fraction of what they have wasted by uprooting them. Guess who pays for that? Talk about a lose lose situation. Mismanagement on this issue alone should get them drummed out of office.

How does someone get to see this "don't talk to" list? I'd be interested to see if I'm on it too. I guess I'm more likely to be on the list the federal government has though... ha ha ha