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    #21
    Cakadu, I would love to see one powerful voice representing all ag producers - it happens in some countries/areas - seemingly not in Western Canada though. Is the tough, individualistic cowboy image too much engrained in the people?

    How much do we need all this land anyway? I know that the world population is increasing at a great rate and that ag landbase is shrinking but in reality in todays world residents and governments of wealthy countries allow those without to starve. If we can do it now why should it be any different if there are x million more starving Africans? I sometimes think we are unworthy inhabitants of the earth.

    The fruit /veg year round topic is interesting. You say the food can always be bought at a price - I would argue at a price that wealthy consumers have never been more able to pay. The problem is consumers, all of us,are looking only at the cash price of things not their real cost. We all cop out when it comes to our responsibility to assess the sustainability of our every day lives. Environmental impacts aren't considered - the fact it takes more calories of energy to airfreight that lettuce from China that the food contains. Look at the goods in your local Fields store, Dollar store etc all made in Bangladesh or China with virtual slave labour yet Canadians are happy to shop at these stores because they are cheap and a good deal.
    I watched one of these charity programs last Sunday featuring tea pickers in Sri Lanka - the conditions they lived in were appalling, long hours, virtual slavery for life and that tea finishes up here through Tetley or Brooke Bond. We are all responsible for this with our buying decisions. We have a lot in common as farmers with these disadvantaged people in the third world - all producing raw product to be taken advantage of by the Corporations that rule the world. We are lucky that we are so well off, as Canadian farmers, compared to many in the 3rd world but the market forces that affect them also affect us.
    Ideally the model of "free trade coffee" could extend to all products and to all countries but I guess that isn't human nature - greed is.

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      #22
      Linda, I honestly think that those folks in Paddle Prairie or Milk River and other areas not close to the QE11 are probably better off than those who are.
      Of course not in dollars but they are away from the rat race that the highway corridor has become.

      I live an hour from the QE11 and wouln't trade my farm for one along the darn thing. I don't have to listen to the roar of traffic day and night, and I don't see earth movers and bull dozers tearing up the landscape every single day.

      For those who live near that corridor and want to sell their land, this is their payback for years of hard work in many cases and more power to them.

      I just want to enjoy the fresh air, and open space and be able to walk out among God's creatures in peace and quiet for a few more years, before this area becomes the next frontier of development !!!!!

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        #23
        I guess I have a different slant on this from a lot of the people on here. I guess I buy into the "cowboy mentality" rather than the "ant hill philosophy" where we're all in this together? Over my lifetime I've found this concept of "all for one and one for all" usually means I'm going to get screwed so someone else can benifit!
        Now I know this isn't the popular "flavor of the week" kind of thinking that most farmers see as a solution...sorry.
        I figure God gave me two hands and a brain? If one thing isn't working for me then what do I do? Do I change the way I do it or do I try to change the situation? I think many people in agriculture are trying to change the situation by joining up with groups, lobbying the government, trying to become part of marketing chains? And if that is working for you...good...all the power to you.
        I am forced to contribute to the ABP. If I had the option I would not...it is just the cost of doing business and I don't obsess over it.
        Personally I was never much for tilting at windmills? Banging my head against the wall...when that wall is never coming down! I believe it is important to realize the concept of "Thats just the way it is" and learn how to deal with it!
        Hope I haven't offended anyone. Just my opinion.

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          #24
          Pretty darn good opinion cowman ---- on this issue that is --wink---

          I would like to ad that; we are in the cattle biz afterall, and dispite the fact that Cargill and Tyson and maybe even their supporters at ABP/CCA would like us to be more clone-like, like the pork and chicken things; cattle breeds are different and CAN produce a variety.

          This may be part of the independence thing that I, for one, do NOT think has hurt the beef industry.

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            #25
            I am hearing that ACC should not have become ABP, but I don't think that one overall producer group could really make that big of a difference either.
            1. Ag represents very few votes
            2. Even if you had one big group, I suspect it would be impossible to stand up and sing "solidarity forever" witha straight face.
            3. We are playing in a global economy through trade policy, etc. whether we want to or not. If we held out to raise the price of live cattle, I suspect that the evil packing empire would go elsewhere they could more readily exploit the masses, and policy would be to import beef.
            4. I think a mass move would just piss off Canadian consumers.
            5. I am not sure that we can go down the road of protectionism or mass uprising. Canadian farmers have been pretty successful where they have been allowed to compete and inovate. I think our groups need to help us move into the food chain, rather than the commodity chain. That is where the real money is.

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              #26
              Ag may represent a very few votes but the commodity groups that represent the livestock industry have a lot of power with the AB Government, because they represent the suppliers of the products that are part of the governments benchmark in value added production.

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                #27
                Getting way too much ageement on here lately? I guess I'll have to come up with some really outrageous statement soon before this love fest gets out of hand? Maybe I'll just have to beat up old Willowcreek to get things going? LOL

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                  #28
                  Further thought this morning...
                  Commodity groups are basically formed to maintain/produce stability in the industry they are representing. They are directed to fight for income insurance, marketing boards, and general good times for the already established producer. Admittedly, in new industries the commodity group is often a real seller of the industry, but as the industry is established they generally settle back into maintain the status quo (as directed by their members).
                  Basically the beef groups are no different, and I can see how as a producer nearing retirement or financial freedom that is perfect. Personally, I think I would prefer chaos. For young producers chaos creates a lot more opportunities for ingenuity and low cost market access.
                  Perhaps the problem isn't with our farm groups, but with our farmers.
                  I doubt when I reach the average age of farmers today (54 or so) I will be as into taking risk as I am right now when I have hopefully got a lot less to lose.

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                    #29
                    Promoting our product may help influence consumer choice? It seems to me that ag producers are one of the very few industries that do this.You don't see mining companys promoting jewlery or oil companys promoting car tires.

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                      #30
                      Sean: Think you are a little low on the farm age thing? A few years ago it was 58? Don't know if there has been a big infusion of young blood...if so not in my area?
                      I think you have it pretty well right though? When a person gets a little older they aren't out to set the world on fire but tend to just go with the flow.
                      I remember when I was young I thought the old man was a hopeless dinosaur...but it was amazing how he got smarter as I got older! LOL
                      And hey when you are young and full of beans that is the time to take a risk not when you know the old rocking chair is right around the corner! I personally find it sad though that in so many cases that's the ball game for that particular farm? The lack of young people entering agriculture is a sorry state of affairs, in my opinion?
                      I don't have any solution for this problem. Government neglect wasn't helpful. And I'm not talking subsidies...just real poor policy for too many years!
                      I think also lack of family support wasn't helpful. We live in a world where everybody thinks of themselves and never look at the big picture? The reason most of us are here is our anscestors were sick of being serfs or slaves and desired to be their own masters? And we are slipping back into slavery! Just my opinion.

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