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Aug 9, 2020 | 12:14 1 When they go it fix the highways they can only fill in the grooves created by semi traffic...

Why not just put a new surface on....before the sub grade goes to shit....

Any one else noticed this practice in the province... Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 9, 2020 | 12:19 2 You should see how snc does highway construction. Very very slow. They don’t put down oil before they pave and they pave right over the weeds. They started in April doing some turning lanes and a couple passing lanes just east of Kindersley. They are taking forever to get anything done. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 9, 2020 | 12:49 3 That same style of half ass highway fixing has been going on down here in the SW corner for decades!! Nice waste of our tax money as usual. Reply With Quote
    Aug 9, 2020 | 12:50 4 Yes same thing here Bucket. Never ending patching and filling the ruts. Highways are bone jarring!!! Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 9, 2020 | 13:03 5 So while they can't fix highways properly for all residents ....how does the province have money for a money pit project like irrigation to benefit 250 farmers? Reply With Quote

  • Aug 9, 2020 | 14:55 6 Western Canada should run SNC out of here! Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 9, 2020 | 15:07 7 in Alberta they make a new hardtop and the first thing they do is put groves in it so you can be on your phone and drive. Absolute stupidity. after a few years that highway is toast. prime example hwy 12 east of Stettler. Reply With Quote
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  • helmsdale's Avatar Aug 9, 2020 | 17:47 8
    Quote Originally Posted by tubs View Post
    in Alberta they make a new hardtop and the first thing they do is put groves in it so you can be on your phone and drive. Absolute stupidity. after a few years that highway is toast. prime example hwy 12 east of Stettler.
    Hwy 9, youngstown to rochdale... they "recycled" the old asphalt, and laid it back down. Didnt last a year. Its horrid. Surface layer just keeps pushing out right to the gravel base. It's a friggin slalom course! Reply With Quote
    Aug 9, 2020 | 21:53 9 If only the NDP had held onto power in Sask instead of that dang ol' Sask Party - we'd have all the paved roads turned back to gravel by now like Romanow started doing. Perhaps if Meili becomes premier they'll gravel the Regina bypass. And close the Children's Hospital in Toontown, you know, like they did the Plains. Reply With Quote

  • Aug 9, 2020 | 22:27 10 The amount of heavy truck freight has grown exponentially on thin membrane highways not designed for it.

    Are we expecting too much from our highways? One year we had fert delivered from the States in about 24 tonne loads. I suspect interstates are classified heavier haul roads.

    Some roads are so poor ,Sask has 8 tonne max limits on stretches of them.....our tandem grain truck empty is 10.

    Primary, secondary, 9 month primary, restricted.

    Do US States have heavier weight allowances than 24 tonne? Reply With Quote
    Aug 9, 2020 | 23:01 11

    Department of highways are responsible for approaches up to fence line as well are they not?! Maybe I can sell the rights to the approach to ducks unlimited!
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    helmsdale's Avatar Aug 9, 2020 | 23:17 12
    Quote Originally Posted by farmaholic View Post
    Do US States have heavier weight allowances than 24 tonne?
    Yes.

    Interstates are federally regulated roadways. It all depends on "bridge weights". The idea is tou try to spread the weight over as many axles, spaced as far apart as possible. A standard super B with 244" wheelbase is maxed at 105,500lb or 106,000lb depending on how "forgiving" the DOT is holding the tape measure. That worked out to about 30.5mT for us, and lightweight A-trains were pushing 33 to 34mT on one less axle.

    Slap a pusher axle on and your good for another 10,000lb

    If you stay off the interstate and run only "intrastate" highways, then the state sets the rules and each one is unique, and the weight limits can get pretty high. Guys running long wheel-base trucks with pushers that were pulling tri-axles with a drop axle can gross upwards of 112,000lb in the winter time in some of the northern states.

    It's a truckers nightmare, and a DOTs dream when it comes to interpreting all the rules!

    We used to run some real DOT magnets. Special order Doepker super Bs with unique pin depths, sliding fifth wheels on the bridge, and spread tandems on the pup. Legal for 111,000lb or 112,500lb on trucks that ran 12R tires on the front end. Try dragging that across a scale without getting pulled in when every DOT thinks a super B maxes at 106,000lb... Reply With Quote
    SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 10, 2020 | 06:20 13 They did the new level seal on the highway running N and S by the farm. It really smartened up the highway. Just the two lanes and centre. We had a good base.

    I'm all for this its a very nice road now.

    A few years ago they did the same north of Melville it lasted for a bit lots of heavy traffic.

    It's better than the old oil gravel drive on the patch that never worked. Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 06:29 14
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    They did the new level seal on the highway running N and S by the farm. It really smartened up the highway. Just the two lanes and centre. We had a good base.

    I'm all for this its a very nice road now.

    A few years ago they did the same north of Melville it lasted for a bit lots of heavy traffic.

    It's better than the old oil gravel drive on the patch that never worked.

    Why do we have a highway department to fix roads ....while I don't agree with groove fixing when the highway needs to be resurfaced properly ...the local highway department does an absolute shit job of basically painting the highway with their fix... Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 06:30 15
    Quote Originally Posted by tubs View Post
    in Alberta they make a new hardtop and the first thing they do is put groves in it so you can be on your phone and drive. Absolute stupidity. after a few years that highway is toast. prime example hwy 12 east of Stettler.
    The highways in Alberta are waaaayyy better than a lot of the ones we got here in Sask. I was up to Lacombe last fall and didn't drive on any bad highways in that area. Alberta always has had better highways than Sask. Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 06:34 16
    Quote Originally Posted by oldjim View Post
    If only the NDP had held onto power in Sask instead of that dang ol' Sask Party - we'd have all the paved roads turned back to gravel by now like Romanow started doing. Perhaps if Meili becomes premier they'll gravel the Regina bypass. And close the Children's Hospital in Toontown, you know, like they did the Plains.
    I wish I could say how many times I "liked" your post, but I can't count that high !!! It is time a few people start remembering just how pathetic the NDP were in this province. Taxes , closures , stifled growth , etc. , etc , Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 10, 2020 | 07:25 17
    Quote Originally Posted by GALAXIE500 View Post
    I wish I could say how many times I "liked" your post, but I can't count that high !!! It is time a few people start remembering just how pathetic the NDP were in this province. Taxes , closures , stifled growth , etc. , etc ,
    The boogeyman NDP campaign has started.....I can tell you since the saskparty has been in power our local hospital has been phased out of emergency services....and doesnt show up on a map of the rural hospitals any more...

    Our highways are never built to the required production for the area meaning they are going to shit as well...under the saskparty....

    While I understand the strategy of.... NDP bad...saskparty good....its time to start holding the saskparty accountable to their nonsense...


    I have a letter proving the agriculture minister is either a liar or a poor planner dated in February than no major irrigation projects were in the works....and since then he has funded irrigation to the tune of 15 million and the saskparty is going to spend 4 billion....

    The saskaprty has been no better supporting farmers than the NDP...imho ....

    It would be better if the NDP could get a team together that voters could at least think about...or the old conservative party make some moves to get profiled candidates to shake up the saskparty...

    They have been in power far too long... Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 10, 2020 | 07:48 18 Is it time to privatize the road system and use a user pay system to pay for them? The more you use them the more you pay. That way people who don’t use them don’t have to subsidize those who do with taxpayer paid for roads. This would help governments lower taxes for everyone. Reply With Quote

  • Aug 10, 2020 | 08:41 19
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Is it time to privatize the road system and use a user pay system to pay for them? The more you use them the more you pay. That way people who don’t use them don’t have to subsidize those who do with taxpayer paid for roads. This would help governments lower taxes for everyone.
    Might as well do the same for healthcare, education, and old folks homes while you are at it. Oh...and the police for the protestor crowd as well!
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  • Aug 10, 2020 | 10:17 20
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Is it time to privatize the road system and use a user pay system to pay for them? The more you use them the more you pay. That way people who don’t use them don’t have to subsidize those who do with taxpayer paid for roads. This would help governments lower taxes for everyone.
    Don’t you know how much tax is paid to operate a vehicle. It’s already a user pay system. Fuel tax on diesel has more than doubled in the last 5 years and pst on everything Reply With Quote

  • Aug 10, 2020 | 10:22 21 How much revenue is collected in fuel tax versus the repair budget. Or total highway's budget.

    No sarcasm intended but it would be interesting to know. Reply With Quote
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  • fjlip's Avatar Aug 10, 2020 | 11:35 22
    Quote Originally Posted by SASKFARMER View Post
    They did the new level seal on the highway running N and S by the farm. It really smartened up the highway. Just the two lanes and centre. We had a good base.

    I'm all for this its a very nice road now.

    A few years ago they did the same north of Melville it lasted for a bit lots of heavy traffic.

    It's better than the old oil gravel drive on the patch that never worked.
    Tell me what is this level seal? Saw some on #16 and west of Nipawin. Asked highways and MLA, nobody answered me!
    Biggest issue is RIUGH uneven surfaces.
    Want to see NICE highways, go to BC. Way better than even AB. Never straight but smooth and FIXED properly. Guess warmer doesn't wreck roads.
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    RTK
    Aug 10, 2020 | 12:05 23 Who doesn’t use roads? Trying to think of a situation where someone can claim they receive no benefit from a road network? Perhaps individuals who are hunters and gathers in some tribe with no ties to civilization. Reply With Quote
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  • Aug 10, 2020 | 12:42 24
    Quote Originally Posted by RTK View Post
    Who doesn’t use roads? Trying to think of a situation where someone can claim they receive no benefit from a road network? Perhaps individuals who are hunters and gathers in some tribe with no ties to civilization.
    or basement dwellers? Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 13:16 25
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Is it time to privatize the road system and use a user pay system to pay for them? The more you use them the more you pay. That way people who don’t use them don’t have to subsidize those who do with taxpayer paid for roads. This would help governments lower taxes for everyone.
    How about they charge the companies that arbitrarily close a 10000 tonne elevator that would save many miles on the road for plenty of farmers....instead of saying you cant tell a private business what to do while they send you a highway repair bill every 5 years because they don't want to use the rail line 50 yards parallel to the highway .....just to make their logistics easier and farmers fuel and freight bills higher.... Reply With Quote

  • Aug 10, 2020 | 16:10 26
    Quote Originally Posted by chuckChuck View Post
    Is it time to privatize the road system and use a user pay system to pay for them? The more you use them the more you pay. That way people who don’t use them don’t have to subsidize those who do with taxpayer paid for roads. This would help governments lower taxes for everyone.
    Chuck, congratulations, that is the least socialist thing you have ever said on Agriville.
    And no doubt this is coming, there has to be a way to replace the fuel tax on all of the electric vehicles currently getting a free ride. Rather than a prohibitive one time fee at registration time, I foresee road taxes based on GPS tracked miles driven ( based on weight of vehicle) being the model. And I am fine with that. Why should someone using public transit, or feet, or a bicycle, be subsidizing my neighbor who drives an hour to work everyday in the nearest city?

    And while we are at it, lets apply the same logic to the power grid. With a user pay system, for those who are using the grid as free storage for their solar or wind generation. The more you use the grid for storage, the more you pay. That way people who don't abuse the grid in this way, don't have to subsidize those who do, with their electricity bills for grid and dispatchable generation costs. This would help electricity regulators lower costs for everyone.

    See what I did there?
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  • SASKFARMER's Avatar Aug 10, 2020 | 17:07 27 I like it

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    Aug 10, 2020 | 17:17 28
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
    Chuck, congratulations, that is the least socialist thing you have ever said on Agriville.
    And no doubt this is coming, there has to be a way to replace the fuel tax on all of the electric vehicles currently getting a free ride. Rather than a prohibitive one time fee at registration time, I foresee road taxes based on GPS tracked miles driven ( based on weight of vehicle) being the model. And I am fine with that. Why should someone using public transit, or feet, or a bicycle, be subsidizing my neighbor who drives an hour to work everyday in the nearest city?

    And while we are at it, lets apply the same logic to the power grid. With a user pay system, for those who are using the grid as free storage for their solar or wind generation. The more you use the grid for storage, the more you pay. That way people who don't abuse the grid in this way, don't have to subsidize those who do, with their electricity bills for grid and dispatchable generation costs. This would help electricity regulators lower costs for everyone.

    See what I did there?
    a toll based on your GPS logged miles is not too far away, only a matter of time. Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 22:11 29
    Quote Originally Posted by flea beetle View Post


    Department of highways are responsible for approaches up to fence line as well are they not?! Maybe I can sell the rights to the approach to ducks unlimited!
    Well they need water for the irrigation project so maybe you have a gold mine? Reply With Quote
    Aug 10, 2020 | 22:51 30
    Quote Originally Posted by the big wheel View Post
    Well they need water for the irrigation project so maybe you have a gold mine?
    It's been there so long, as the cattails would suggest, it might be a protected waterbody by now!
    Last edited by flea beetle; Aug 10, 2020 at 22:59.
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