Renewables Chuck

[malleefarmer]

Someone asked about gas LPG gas prices. A 45 kg cylinder/bottle is $130 i have my stove hot water and outside bbq all on gas.

Australia is mineral/coal rich oil rich and gas rich or should i say we have them in abundance. Iron ore mining seems to be only one going ahead.

It is what it is.

I have a vegan organic save the planet stop animal farming anti gm stop mining daughter and when she comes home every few months she complains about costs of living power and organic food is so expensive she says.

Enjoy your meal i say as i serve here a bowl of ice cubes. Her transplanted english boyfirend convinced her to change her carnivourous ways she has done for 3 years now i think.

Takes all types to make a world and forum such as this

[Rareearth]

Just a idea,
For Christmas,
Buy them a trip to Alaska, they could search for a place of their own and live off the grid.
Burning in the wood stove dead fall trees, the smell, cracklings, fresh boiled water, etc pure romance
Fresh fish, = pure omega 3
The snow is amazing, also romantic
Gather and hunt, as man has alway done, till recently

I hope you don’t offer a coal mine - idea for me

[oneoff]

Wow looks good Chuck. Yes if you are waiting on saskpower that might take awhile. Its kind of hard to see the size and scale with such a close up. If you have a chance would you mind backing up a little and posting another shot of it? I would be interested in hearing how much energy it can produce?

Well the amount of energy it will produce will average approximately 15% of its nameplate rating. Next to negligible amounts in the months of December and January. Any overcast skies reduce the output substantially compared to clear sunny days. For a 10Kw array; thats 1.5KW or 12 cents per hour continuously. Coffee at $2.00 a cup; means don't get hooked on needing 2 cups a day.

If the panels don't track the sun (like sunflowers); nor adjust for the seasons; then of course there is another efficiency penalty. Keeping frost, or snow or ice coatings or dirt is detrimental; and manpower is required to complete these tasks. (but not always factored into fair rough calculations of costs).

Of course the high winds or baseball sized hail that happen infrequently in a 25 year period may well destroy the whole show. I just wonder what insurance for those risks would actually cost, Bet the homeowners package does't automatically cover any part of such a system.

Another little trick Sask Power may latch onto is demonstrated by the way that Sask Energy splits up a natural gas bill. Watch out for two meters on the electrical side. One for solar production and the other used for a transportation or delivery charge based on consumption. Just saying...maybe not full case today...but it could be a factor in the electrical program over time. As can (and should ) KVA demand if solar becomes a significant part of the electrical grid. Not everyone can get free lunches forever.

Oh! And I forgot to mention that no solar systems put power into a power grid that is "out". In fact few if any solar systems can act as a backup power supply whilst the electrical grid is out. Thus the need for a standby generator system for grid outages; or

that battery backup that is "not yet ready".

All costs that don't fit in an 8 cent/kwh budget.

Feel free to pick out the Fake news in this analysis; but also please mention and acknowledge the comments that generally never cross a strong promoter's mind.

[Guest]

oh, oh , way too many facts and details here ,
chuck et al will leave this one alone !

[AlbertaFarmer5]

oh, oh , way too many facts and details here ,
chuck et al will leave this one alone !

Mostly too much math, socialists aren't good with math and numbers, as is obvious by their conclusion.

[perfecho]

Kids are building their house and shop...builder says for $25,000, they can have solar...have a contractor that he works with. Builder is reputable, advises not worth it if you also want to hook to grid...power companies have you price wise as they charge for incoming and outgoing power. Son in law isn't concerned about shop as his welder and air compressor are motor driven. Conventional power cost about $15000 to hook up....(although the 25k for solar does have subsidies to lower cost) They are doing their due diligence before installing, will be interesting.....

[chuckChuck]

Mostly too much math, socialists aren't good with math and numbers, as is obvious by their conclusion.

And you are not very good at backing up your arguments with evidence or fact.

[chuckChuck]

Lots of biased arm chair experts on Agriville who have never seriously looked at solar pv or solar programs which vary widely by province. Untill you actually price one out and do the math you really don't know very much about what it costs in each situation.

Some people think they are smarter than their neighbor when it come to running their farm and making decisions how to spend money! I have found it is best to ignore the know it alls and just go ahead and make your own decisions.

Lots of arm chair critics of wind power as well. Saskpower is investing in a lot of wind and some solar.

Why don't you contact Saskpower and argue with them about the grid scale costs of new wind and solar pv versus new coal with carbon capture and storage, gas, hydro imported from manitoba or otherwise.

Report back on what you find out.

[oneoff]

Appears that one track minds are already fully committed to minding their own business.

But for others to be told that their business must dovetail with the way crusaders see things becomes quite trying on anyone's patience.

Once again chuck refuses to entertain any comments, thoughts or perspectives that aren't a part of his rhetoric.

[seldomseen]

This was yesterday at noon. Nice sunny day but the sun is so low and far away I just don’t see or feel a lot of energy. One thing about the low sun the panels would have to be standing almost upright to face the sun so there is not much chance snow would stay on them.
Keep us informed Chuck.

[chuckChuck]

Appears that one track minds are already fully committed to minding their own business.

But for others to be told that their business must dovetail with the way crusaders see things becomes quite trying on anyone's patience.

Once again chuck refuses to entertain any comments, thoughts or perspectives that aren't a part of his rhetoric.

So you don't have any biases one way or the other and you always listen to each argument and make an informed decision free of biases?

Don't take my word for it. Talk to Saskpower or experts on renewable energy. Build your case against wind and solar with evidence and facts then we can have an intelligent discussion.

The rest is just hot air.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And you are not very good at backing up your arguments with evidence or fact.

If I provided a list of failed and failing socialist regimes and policies, as evidence that socialists don't "believe" that math applies to them, would that cause you to give up your ideologies and take a pragmatic of the issues you previously blindly supported?

[jazz]

The rest is just hot air.

No place in Canada is suitable for solar. Some places wind might be viable but they are a long way from where the power is needed.

[chuckChuck]

This was yesterday at noon. Nice sunny day but the sun is so low and far away I just don’t see or feel a lot of energy. One thing about the low sun the panels would have to be standing almost upright to face the sun so there is not much chance snow would stay on them.
Keep us informed Chuck.

At noon on Sunday my south facing windows were warming up my house to 23.5 C and the set point was 21 C. Obviously the sun still has a lot of energy at noon on a December winters day.

[chuckChuck]

Quote from Jazz
"No place in Canada is suitable for solar. Some places wind might be viable but they are a long way from where the power is needed."

Wrong on both counts.



"Wind energy is the fastest-growing major source of new electricity in Canada. It is also growing rapidly in more than 90 countries around the world, including the U.S. where four states now generate 30 per cent or more of their electricity using wind energy.

As of August 2018, Canada’s installed wind energy capacity was 12,796 megawatts (MW) — enough to power over 3.8 million homes, supplying about six per cent of our country’s electricity demand. Four new projects saw completion that added 546 MW of new installed capacity,"