AG stab Sucks but all farm groups want Ottawa and Prov to continue.

[SASKFARMER]

The most useless program in Canada for farmers that is neither insurance in a time of disaster or bankable all farm groups are telling Ottawa and the provinces just tweak it up it works.

I say for ****ing WHO?

We have had frost on Aug 4th that killed everything. Got paid and then two years later had to pay it all back.

We had years of flood over and over that eroded a little of the farm each year as acres went underwater, Zero payments.

THen we now are moving to a drought cycle yea as it will pay then.

So basically who the **** is getting money or is it checks issued and then a year later money asked for it back that isn't ever added into the equation.

I just say its the most useless program a Government could have ever designed.

Prove me wrong.

USELESS

[Hamloc]

The most useless program in Canada for farmers that is neither insurance in a time of disaster or bankable all farm groups are telling Ottawa and the provinces just tweak it up it works.

I say for ****ing WHO?

We have had frost on Aug 4th that killed everything. Got paid and then two years later had to pay it all back.

We had years of flood over and over that eroded a little of the farm each year as acres went underwater, Zero payments.

THen we now are moving to a drought cycle yea as it will pay then.

So basically who the **** is getting money or is it checks issued and then a year later money asked for it back that isn't ever added into the equation.

I just say its the most useless program a Government could have ever designed.

Prove me wrong.

USELESS

Are you still enrolled in Agstability? I quit about 3-4 years ago because it cost me money to have my accountant fill it out and there was an enrolment fee and with both cattle and grain it would never pay imo, waste of time and money!!

[the big wheel]

The most useless program in Canada for farmers that is neither insurance in a time of disaster or bankable all farm groups are telling Ottawa and the provinces just tweak it up it works.

I say for ****ing WHO?

We have had frost on Aug 4th that killed everything. Got paid and then two years later had to pay it all back.

We had years of flood over and over that eroded a little of the farm each year as acres went underwater, Zero payments.

THen we now are moving to a drought cycle yea as it will pay then.

So basically who the **** is getting money or is it checks issued and then a year later money asked for it back that isn't ever added into the equation.

I just say its the most useless program a Government could have ever designed.

Prove me wrong.

USELESS

100% agree time to move on from this bureaucratic bullshit. Something way simpler and where it is specific to each crop specific to livestock separate from crops. Etc etc. Funny how rhe same people that hated the cwb because you couldn’t get your money for a year are in line with the same problem with this program. Wait a year or more and still don’t get any money at all just a bill. Maybe they should pay the accounting bills for all of us and have it listed separately for the public to see who’s making money off this program.
Do we need to petition? Virtual rally?

[SASKFARMER]

Since we have no cattle side any more we stuck with it. Yes, the fees are an expense so you do get a use. But the program was flawed since day one.

If you never collect from a Killing frost on Aug 4th. You will never get one cent from the useless program.

[TSIPP]

Got out probably 12 years ago, couldn’t collect during BSE so not much use in filling out the paperwork.

[Oliver88]

Government union loves it, hundreds of workers with questionable qualifications in each province have office jobs because of it.

Scrap program, pay it out as ad hoc or add it to an existing program that works.

[bucket]

The ag committee report was presented to the government but yesterday in Question period the farming questions are all about getting the supply management payments flowing again...

Every party asked about dairy payments....guess who has some stroke...and pictures and videos....

[bucket]

They need to scrap agristabilty ...even at 85 percent it won't save a farm ,,,


Farms can not compete against other countries treasuries who value farmers ...

And you cant be pricing off a distorted US grain exchange when they are getting direct payments based on many production variables....PLC...ARC...MFP...look at what they are getting with record production...along with prevent plant programs....etc etc...all affecting the grain exchange prices

[farmaholic]

We're not in Crap Insurance so we decided to stay in AgrivateStability.

It is kinda hopeless but incase the wheels ever completely fell off our farm income there would be something to buy groceries with, SARCASM.

The enrollment fee isn't a pile of money.

AGRI1 needs to be filled out for AgInvest anyway so a little more info and everything is there for AgStab.

They honestly did gut it. They say "X" number of dollars have been paid out through the program but I don't know of anyone who got any. Which sectors. How much creative accounting?

Unless you are a complete fraud.... the program is a real forensic audit of your year to year A/R, A/P, income, expenses, prepaids.... everything needs to jive with an allowable margin of error.

Even in our worst years we are never close to collecting a cent. I wouldn't want it to be that bad.

Like I said before it seems more like a data collection program to monitor the health of Ag in Canada and a bureaucratic make work project.

Use my years of AgStability information and let me into crop insurance at the max premium discount with my own yield averages, Acres and production is available through the AgStab program. It was obvious I wouldn't have collected a lot, if any, crop insurance either..... maybe the odd crop type once in a blue moon could have triggered a claim. I would have probably paid more premiums than indemnity payments too.

REMEMBER, Insurance is meant to decrease losses not be profitable.

Flame away.

[foragefarmer]

Since we have no cattle side any more we stuck with it. Yes, the fees are an expense so you do get a use. But the program was flawed since day one.

If you never collect from a Killing frost on Aug 4th. You will never get one cent from the useless program.

So let me get this straight, your claiming that Agstab is useless, and yet your still enrolled. You state you were only paid once and had to repay it two years later. Makes absolutely no sense, you must love your accountant, or you're just waiting for a big hand out from the government. Or your holding back on a few little facts.

I drop out of Agstab and Agnivest, eight years ago when I incorporated. The less paper work I have to do, or the less my account bill is, or the less the government has their hands in my business, the better. I make sure I have a good balance sheet in place in case I have a bad year or two.

You put it out there, you have a choice to do something about it. Drop out, or get involved with one of the farm groups and try to get changes made to Agstab.

[the big wheel]

So let me get this straight, your claiming that Agstab is useless, and yet your still enrolled. You state you were only paid once and had to repay it two years later. Makes absolutely no sense, you must love your accountant, or you're just waiting for a big hand out from the government. Or your holding back on a few little facts.

I drop out of Agstab and Agnivest, eight years ago when I incorporated. The less paper work I have to do, or the less my account bill is, or the less the government has their hands in my business, the better. I make sure I have a good balance sheet in place in case I have a bad year or two.

You put it out there, you have a choice to do something about it. Drop out, or get involved with one of the farm groups and try to get changes made to Agstab.

U fricken socialist!!!

[Sheepwheat]

A few points.

They gutted it

It was much better before

It is pathetic now

No one is going to admit they did get cash from it

I’ve been out since before they gutted it

If you’re in crop insurance, there is no way to trigger almost, so why be in it?

If you’re diversified, not much point either

It certainly doesn’t work if you have had a multi year run of disasters as we had here in the wet

It may work if you have had a five year string of good crops followed by a one year wipeout

Enhance crop insurance, scrap it

In Canada we are screwed.

We need to stop daydreaming that the government is going to do something useful

We need to do something useful ourselves

Self insurance looks like it’s the only way, ie being prudent

We are such a small minority now, we don’t need to be heard, our votes are small

You are kidding yourselves if you think we will be heard

Keep trying i guess, if you think we will be heard, but we won’t be

Put that energy into changing or morphing your farms in some way to make them more stable

It sucks, but it is what it is

[SASKFARMER]

Forage wow is all I can Say.

Your such a special individual arent you.

Get involved with a farm group. They all are useless. Name one that actually has the farmers back. and No it's not the NFU.

[farmaholic]

There is the factor of being in both AgStab and Crap insurance at the same time. I seriously doubt they will "pay you twice".
SF3, maybe your crop Insurance covered the loss and they wanted the AgStab gift back....lol.


Since I'm only in one that won't happen to me. I'm not even sure if they withhold a portion of a AgStab payment if I'm not in Crap Insurance......I've never had the "pleasure" of finding out. I thought they were hoping to run them as companion programs......but it sure wouldn't be "double" insuring.

[GDR]

Have a friend who has 26 cows and grows a bit of hay for them, one time was a farmer, now just playing around. He tells me the other day he just got $9000 from ag stab for 2019, this is the 3rd time he has got a substantial payment and wasnt sure why. Due to the wet summer in 2019 he silage baled his hay instead of baling dry, so they paid him out on his inventory stating silage is worth less than hay. He questioned them and said its the same field and fed the same number of cows and was told that's just the way it works.

I've been out for 5 or 6 yrs.