PP loses another MP

[chuckChuck]

The CPC are down10% in the polls. PP is personally 20% behind Carney.

Trump is losing control and hurting the CPC chances in the next election.

There are just too many MAGA and Trump supporters in the CPC and lightweight PP didn't even have the courage to mention Trump in the leadership review.

The CPC has a really big Trump problem!

But they still can't figure it out!

[agstar77]

Time to pull the flush lever. They need to rethink their party platform with an intelligent leader.

[LEP]

Polievre is still polling better than you ever did chuck.

[TraderJoe]

We sure should take CC's numbers (from the CBC no doubt, Rosie Barton that fat ****) as the gospel...
Buying off weak minded Conservative MP's is sure a great way to lead the country.
Trump is also doing great things south of the border, maybe if we followed their lead actual Canadians could get a family doctor again, and maybe less Tranny nut jobs would shoot up schools... or are you ok with that Chucky?
geez Louise....

[Grain Farmer]

Time to pull the flush lever. They need to rethink their party platform with an intelligent leader.

Why do you care?
you vote for that other moron.

[chuckChuck]

The CPC MAGA wing is a giant millstone around PP's neck and the CPC's appeal!
I say give them more rope!


Does the Conservative Party of Canada want to be a MAGA branch plant?

Tony Keller

[url]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-conservative-party-maga-poilievre-trump/[/url]

“What grade would you give Trump for his first year, overall?”

That’s the question the Angus Reid Institute asked 1,612 Canadians, in a poll ([url]https://angusreid.org/fear-factor-canada-us-relationship-trump-carney/[/url]) conducted late last month. Two-thirds of respondents gave U.S. President Donald Trump ([url]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/topics/donald-trump/[/url]) an F. Another 8 per cent gave him a D. Just 6 per cent gave him an A.

But breaking down the results by party affiliation reveals a very different picture.

Among those who voted Liberal in last year’s federal election, Mr. Trump has almost no fans: 92 per cent gave him an F, and 5 per cent gave him a D. Zero per cent thought he deserved an A or B. The figures for NDP voters are almost the same.

Conservative voters, however, are deeply divided on the issue. Sixteen per cent gave the American head of state an A, with 34 per cent giving him a B, or a C. Only 33 per cent gave him an F.

Opinion: By calling Trumpist ideas ‘Western values,’ we’re handing dictators a gift ([url]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trump-western-values-dictators-values/[/url])

Mr. Trump got a failing grade from 97 per cent of Liberals. But 50 per cent of Conservatives gave him a passing grade, with one-in-six giving him the highest mark possible.

For the vast majority of Canadians, Mr. Trump is a unifying figure. When he credits himself for Prime Minister Mark Carney’s election, he’s not lying.

For the Conservative Party, in contrast, Mr. Trump is a source of division. Half of its voters are critical of his performance, according to the Angus Reid survey, while the other half are supportive.

This week’s floor-crossing to the Liberals by Edmonton Riverbend MP Matt Jeneroux is a sign of that division. On the other side of the divide, there’s Bowmanville-Oshawa North MP Jamil Jivani’s freelance trip to Washington D.C.

The Conservative MP said he was trying to help Canada improve relations with the Trump administration (via his old friend, Vice-President JD Vance), but then he gave an interview to MAGA house organ Breitbart News Network, in which he blamed a Canadian “hissy fit,” and not Mr. Trump’s tariffs and threats, for the broken relationship.

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre said this week that he doesn’t share those sentiments, and that Mr. Jivani was speaking only for himself. It was, finally, some mild pushback.

But in his major speech to the convention that reconfirmed his leadership last month, as Mr. Poilievre went through the issues facing Canada, he never mentioned Mr. Trump. He avoided the elephant in the room throughout his leadership campaign, because many of his MPs, members and voters have MAGA sympathies – and many do not.

Opinion: Can the U.S. finally just shut up about Canada’s defence spending? ([url]https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-defence-spending-carney-trump-national-security/[/url])

Blame Canada – the Jivani approach – is not going to be a winner with most Canadians, and not because of hissy-fit nationalism. Blaming Canada for the President’s threats and tariffs is just factually wrong.

At the same time, dealing with the biggest issue facing Canada by ignoring it is also never going to be a winner with voters. A party that wants to form government can’t pretend that the thing Canadians are most worried about – and have reason to be worried about – doesn’t exist. Canadians want a government with a plan to tackle the problem, not a strategy to deny its existence.

There is a way for the Conservatives to navigate out of this dead-end.

Mr. Poilievre must clearly and repeatedly draw the distinction between being critical of the Liberal government and being sympathetic to the government’s primary antagonist – Mr. Trump.

Criticizing the Liberal government is normal and necessary. But imagining that the enemy of the adversary must be a friend, and that if the Liberals are wrong then Mr. Trump must be at least somewhat in the right, is dangerous for party and country.

The Liberals have successfully wrapped themselves in the flag, and by playing footsie with MAGA, Conservatives have helped them. Now would be a good time to stop.

Conservative voters, Canadians all, share some of the same concerns as many Americans who voted Republican in the last U.S. election. People worry about inflation, crime, jobs, national defence, an inefficient regulatory state, a mismanaged immigration system and woke novelties.

But the Conservative leader has to make it clear that his Canadian answers will not be Mr. Trump’s American answers.

And when it comes to Mr. Trump’s unilateral declaration of trade war against Canada, his tariffs and threats, and his administration’s insinuations of annexation and domestic interference, Mr. Poilievre must take a backseat to nobody in his defence of our economy and our sovereignty.

The Conservative Leader has to lead. He has to make it clear to his followers that criticizing the Liberals is not in any way a step to becoming an intellectual branch plant of MAGA.

For the party that refers to itself as the party of Confederation, this really shouldn’t be so hard.

[shtferbrains]

Chuck, I don't subscribe to the G&M.
Can you give us some c&p of why they seem surprised that Canada has became poorer than Alabama?

[fjlip]

Why aren't you lefties ENCOURAGING Pierre? If he stays and is SO bad your crook will win! I think you are the ones SHYTTING pants...

[chuckChuck]

Shite for brains. I am glad you posted the Globe article about Alabama.

Their GDP is the result of investment by several major manufacturers. But as we know GDP per capita is a flawed measure of wealth and standard of living.

Here are some of the reasons as mentioned in the article:

"It’s often even worse in rural areas, which make up 42 per cent of the state’s population. Within the Appalachian Region, 26 per cent of adults read below third-grade level, and 40 per cent of adults struggle to solve math problems that require more than one step, according to the Appalachian Learning Initiative.

As for health care, in 2025 the Commonwealth Fund, a foundation that conducts independent research, ranked Alabama 42nd out of the 50 states for its overall health system performance. In rural areas, hospitals are having trouble simply staying open.

There are many ways to slice and dice the data to show how Alabama is far behind Canada when it comes to overall health, but one statistic sums it up. For all the investment dollars that Alabama has brought in, the state’s life expectancy is still just 74 years, the fourth-lowest in the U.S. In Canada, it’s 82 years, one of the highest worldwide."

"All these nuances – the income disparity, the life expectancy, the kids who can’t read – epitomize why Jim Stanford, a veteran economist, is so mystified by the recent obsession with per capita GDP. The metric, he says, doesn’t capture what the average person receives from a country’s production.

He breaks down the formula to explain his point. There are multiple ways to calculate GDP, but he likes to use the income approach, which adds up everything earned in the economy – wages, profits and investment income. Mr. Stanford says only about half of GDP is paid to workers; much of the rest comes from corporate profits and investment income, and they mostly flow to the wealthy as shareholders.

To his mind, Ireland illustrates this problem best ([url]https://policyoptions.irpp.org/2025/04/numerator-denominator/[/url]). By the IMF’s calculations, Ireland has the third-highest per capita GDP in the world, around US$150,000. Mr. Stanford says that is divorced from reality. “I’ve slung a Guinness or two in an Irish pub. Great country. Friendly people. Not rich,” he says. Ireland’s figure is skewed because many global companies book their international profits there, owing to the country’s low corporate tax rate.

As for the second component in the GDP per capita calculation – population – Canada’s soared by two million people in 2023 and 2024. That’s much faster than the equivalent U.S. growth rate on a percentage basis. It takes time for all these newcomers to start materially boosting GDP and offset their drag on the per capita number.

What, then, are Canadians to make of all this?

To start, per capita GDP isn’t the be-all and end-all. In Alabama, tens of billions of dollars of direct investment have poured in over the past decade, but the state’s minimum wage is still just US$7.25. Not every worker benefits. In fact, Alabama recently ranked as the third-worst state for financial hardship, according to official U.S. government data, with 41 per cent saying they had a somewhat difficult or very difficult time making ends meet."

Per capita GDP also doesn’t reflect social values. Canada has a high rate of unionization, which many people love. Meanwhile, Alabama has a total abortion ban except in dire health scenarios."

[fjlip]

Here chew on these...we are we on the healthcare?