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[AlbertaFarmer5]

I don't recall saying it was the best Healthcare in the world. Given that there are a fixed number of medical personnel and facilities .

Why would you assume that the number of personnel and facilities needs to be fixed in time? When the price of grain goes up, are you motivated to keep production the same, or increase?

Is more land likely to be converted to grain production or does that stay constant? Do more young people get motivated to want to be grain farmers?
Will more money be invested in improvements to land and technology?

Do you think the private sector could be motivated to build facilities? And at a fraction of the cost of the public sector? Or only the government can build surgical facilities?

Do you think more young people will be motivated to get their medical education if there are more opportunities? Do you think more immigrant doctors will choose Canada if there are more opportunities? Or those numbers are both fixed in time?

[Blaithin]

lost me with one enlighten me

Good rational discussion all. Sound like you guys are split 50/50 in debate tis good

Someone like Blaithin for instance private health probably waste of her hard earned money but us old farts probably worth it

Not so much that it's a waste of my money, it's more that I can't afford that. $630 a month? I'd be a pauper if I added that to my monthly bills and I make a reasonable living and have reasonable expenses. That would be a big strain on my budgeting. I really don't know how the average person would manage it.

That's one thing that the last several years has really exposed to me - farmers live in their own world of expenses. Yeah they have giant input, equipment, land, etc. payments but they really have next to know idea what the average person is making or what it costs us in monthly expenses. A farming community is much more likely to have stories of someone paying to get something done or going out of country, you won't find so many of those experiences in different demographics, especially as the Gen X's and Millennials age in.

Minimum wage working 30 hours a week? No real chance of affording health care.

I did look into Blue Cross a few years back thinking I could get a family plan type thing to help out my mom. My work benefits are good but they only cover dependents as children. I'm one of those Millennials who has to help a parent out but she doesn't fall under a dependent classification. I think the cheapest option I could get was $400-$500. Most of that was just dental coverage and not even good dental coverage. Although I get it, our health care is free but our dental care certainly isn't and you need a dentist way more than you need a doctor IME.

Having work coverage myself I was kind of hoping they'd have more package options or the ability to kind of create a package to suit. If I was just doing private for myself for instance, I wouldn't need dental coverage at this time, work has that covered. I also wouldn't really need any prescription coverages or short term disability or any of those health and wellness spending extras.

It's a complex issue and would require a complex answer but I certainly appreciate that should I so need I can just go to a doctor or a hospital. Waiting hours is inconvenient but it's still way preferable to being broke and having no savings.

[Old Cowzilla]

Daughter has part time contract with local hospital. Having worked for private companies for the last ten years she said no way said companies would keep that many slackers on the payroll. Lots of paper pushers making $30/hr. doing nothing on their shift. Money that could be used for more Docs and nurses. We need a 2 tier system because we have a 2 tier society It seems.

[agstar77]

The best Healthcare system would be preventative before people get ill. Why would a private system be interested in keeping people healthy not needing care? Some here have argued drug companies don't want inexpensive cure. Would that logic not apply to a private system?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The best Healthcare system would be preventative before people get ill. Why would a private system be interested in keeping people healthy not needing care?

100% agree.

Any thoughts of how that could be enforced or encouraged?

Personal responsibility, or top down?

Would the same people who insist on equal access to equal healthcare be willing to discriminate financially against people who choose unhealthy lifestyles?

[Blaithin]

I'm not sure the current public system is interested in keeping people healthy either...

But that is likely just as much an effect of the populations mentality as the healthcare system itself.

People do not want to be told to change their lifestyle, they want a diagnoses to tell their acquaintances about and a pill that will magically fix the symptoms.

I mean, look at our demographics.

Obesity, but they'll come up with every excuse in the book that there is a health issue causing their obesity. Obesity causes health issues, there aren't really health issues that cause such extreme obesity as is seen within our populations. Overweight... sure, obese, no. That is a mental health issue, not a physical health issue.

Also recently I've been hearing a commercial on the radio about stopping smoking. Teaching adults the cons of smoking and that it's best to not even start, and if you did start, stop now, yada yada yada. How have we circled back around to that already?

Another big one is drinking. I've been pleasantly surprised by how many people I know in the last ten years who have stopped drinking due to health conditions. There are many more who would staunchly defend their drinking and would rather be ill though.

If we as a culture can't move past smoking, drinking, and obesity, how on earth can we expect a health care system that functions as a preventative measure. We are not doing preventative maintenance on ourselves and that is OUR job, not the healthcare system.

The argument could be made that people need better education on these matters to make better decisions but honesty, if you're going to defend smoking, drinking or obesity it's not because you haven't had a chance to be better educated on them, it's because you're choosing ignorance.

Really these three main culprits are all mental health issues at their basic levels so not only do they have the issues of people not wanting to change their behaviours, they have the stigma of mental health to get over.

[agstar77]

On the topic of preventative care, there are some interesting things about measles, which some one this forum said they had and it was not that bad. We should all be concerned about the lack of vaccination.

[Blaithin]

I asked AI how big a 6 month gestation calf fetus is once. It told me it should be around 600 lbs....

[agstar77]

I asked AI how big a 6 month gestation calf fetus is once. It told me it should be around 600 lbs....

Yes A.I. is not always right. Someone did not feed bovine information into data base.

[TSIPP]

Why is measles even a thing anymore, mass immigration?