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[Blaithin]

That can be everything from overdoses and car crashes to cancer and pneumonia.

If America has 230,000 then it would be a similar ratio in a completely different system, likely for a different reason.

I’d say 230,000 is probably low for them though.

You sure like to just toss numbers out like they’re a big deal without actually having a scale for them on.

A 4” penis sounds massive if you don’t know there’s 8” out in the world.

[TSIPP]

60 thousand people die of medical malpractice in Canada per year, pretty big numbers for practising professionals.

[TSIPP]

23000 dead waiting for care is a pretty big deal if you’re one of the waiting or a family member.

[Blaithin]

I just got a new IUD today. $42.

Without insurance in the states it’s about $1500 USD.

Reasonable difference I’m sure…

All systems are broken.

[Landdownunder]

I just got a new IUD today. $42.

Without insurance in the states it’s about $1500 USD.

Reasonable difference I’m sure…

All systems are broken.

Hope ya didnt make them blush......surgeon said "needs doing" "sooner the better" "if ya skip this one next available late feb" so I took it. And cant remember what I said above 2 year wait in public.

[Landdownunder]

I just got a new IUD today. $42.

Without insurance in the states it’s about $1500 USD.

Reasonable difference I’m sure…

All systems are broken.

Oddly your system seems to encourage those who can afford private to actually stay in public will find out more for you guys next week. Private nurses/staff to get paid a little more than same public nurses staff but thats private facilities mantra here, people fall over themselves to work in private hospitals and went to visit my mom yesterday weekly visit doing well its kinda a hybrid facility but is privately owned

[Blaithin]

Oddly your system seems to encourage those who can afford private to actually stay in public will find out more for you guys next week. Private nurses/staff to get paid a little more than same public nurses staff but thats private facilities mantra here, people fall over themselves to work in private hospitals and went to visit my mom yesterday weekly visit doing well its kinda a hybrid facility but is privately owned

I don't know that it encourages that. Doesn't really matter if you can afford private here, after all, you can't really access it. A person could leave the country but that adds in more than just being able to afford it.

If it was just there, not a debate, not a political chess piece, just private clinics providing even a small subset of private procedures, then people would use it as they could afford. All the posters on here that are vehemently anti private anything would absolutely have no issue considering a private hip or knee replacement should it be required and they have the funds, were the clinics already set up and working.

I'd say the dental industry is a good example, for better or worse, of how people would approach a private section of healthcare. If you have no coverage, you really get the absolute bare minimum done that you can afford. Employers are usually good at providing some dental coverage in their benefits so then you've got people with that that can access more maintenance care and have an easier time accessing non routine issues that fall within the criteria of the coverage provider. Then you've got the people who can just afford whatever and they can pick what procedure they want, they aren't limited to what the benefits will cover, they have no trouble paying anything not covered.

You don't hear anyone saying we shouldn't be allowed to pay for dental surgeries and that paying for them is taking service away from those who can't afford such procedures.

[agstar77]

I don't know that it encourages that. Doesn't really matter if you can afford private here, after all, you can't really access it. A person could leave the country but that adds in more than just being able to afford it.

If it was just there, not a debate, not a political chess piece, just private clinics providing even a small subset of private procedures, then people would use it as they could afford. All the posters on here that are vehemently anti private anything would absolutely have no issue considering a private hip or knee replacement should it be required and they have the funds, were the clinics already set up and working.

I'd say the dental industry is a good example, for better or worse, of how people would approach a private section of healthcare. If you have no coverage, you really get the absolute bare minimum done that you can afford. Employers are usually good at providing some dental coverage in their benefits so then you've got people with that that can access more maintenance care and have an easier time accessing non routine issues that fall within the criteria of the coverage provider. Then you've got the people who can just afford whatever and they can pick what procedure they want, they aren't limited to what the benefits will cover, they have no trouble paying anything not covered.

You don't hear anyone saying we shouldn't be allowed to pay for dental surgeries and that paying for them is taking service away from those who can't afford such procedures.

Dental is not a true comparison, since is not generally a life and death matter. It will be interesting to see how the government dental plan works. There has been a trend to dental groups buying out smaller practices. Large medical insurance corporations in the U.S. used to be not for profit. The resulting for profit system has seen an explosion in costs without a corresponding improvement in outcomes.

[Blaithin]

Most things brought up to be privatized are also not life and death.

[agstar77]

Most things brought up to be privatized are also not life and death.

Sometimes privatization works and sometimes it doesn't . Picking the winner is difficult. Somehow I would not want a Healthcare system that prioritizes profit over care. If you could base profit on success . That could be a concept of a plan.