Bit like your oil industry

[Hamloc]

You are wrong Hamloc about Sask Powers net metering program. Get the facts straight!

I have the old contract which has a better value for excess credits. But with the current contract you get 7.5 cents for excess credits. Which is still okay.

But the most important point is if your production is matched to your usage, you will have no excess credits anyway. So the 7.5 cents is only a price that matters when valuing excess production credits.

But you don't pay Sask power for your own solar generation period! The meter turns backwards because of your own generation. But you do pay the basic delivery charge. Which is like $50 per month.

So the if the solar displaces all your usage over 30 years, I conservatively estimated the value at 20 cents per kwh to account for inflation. Which is probably low when 30 years from 2018 ends in 2048!

"SaskPower offers a Net Metering program where customers receive a credit for excess solar power sent to the grid. The current rate is 7.5 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh), which is in effect until March 31, 2026. These credits can only be used to offset your energy charge on your bill; they cannot be redeemed as cash and will not cover the basic monthly charge or taxes."

I don’t think I am wrong Chuck2. I asked if your higher level of payment for excess generation was grandfathered in. And you stated as did I that SaskPower has set the rate for net metered electricity at 7.5 cents a kilowatt. Very similar to what is done in Alberta.
You have constantly preached that electricity will be cheaper in the future due to renewable generation but then you state it will average 50% more than it is today. Which is it?

[chuckChuck]

Is chuck back to bragging that adding more of the cheapest source of generation in the future will drive the cost of electricity up?
And that the entire ponzi scheme of renewable energy is based on future projections of much higher retail prices caused by more renewable energy, and the only solution is more "cheapest" renewable energy.

Hamloc got the whole solar net metering program credit pricing wrong and now Absurd 5 is quoting him in the dark without understanding the program either? Too funny!

Absurd 5 is so scared to take me on he is hiding and not reading my posts.

But he can't stop himself from quoting Hamloc who has not returned to admit he doesn't understand the net metering program credit pricing.

Absurd 5 and Hamloc quite the pair!

[Hamloc]

I found this interesting. In Alberta you can get payed 30 cents a kilowatt in the summer. That would make it the most expensive electricity generation not the cheapest lol.

[chuckChuck]

We can't read your screenshot hamloc.

But are ready to admit you got net metering pricing completely wrong? I am part of the program in Saskatchewan. And your knowledge is obviously limited.

You don't understand this well enough to be making claims about the price paid for solar.

In the claim above you are talking about micro generation systems which is a smaller part of the total. And this is the price paid for excess production under net metering. See note on Micro Generation.

The vast majority of solar is large scale that pays 6.4 cents per kwh on average in the spot market and the PPAS likely have lower fixed prices that are not disclosed.

Large utility-scale solar PV systems in Alberta are generally paid based on the
Alberta wholesale electricity market price (pool price) or through specific Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs), with prices averaging around $64/MWh (or roughly 6.4 ¢/kWh) from 2017 onwards.


Here's a breakdown of how the pricing works:

• Wholesale Market (Pool Price): Alberta has an "energy-only" market. Utility-scale generators sell their electricity into the provincial grid at the real-time wholesale "pool price," which fluctuates based on supply and demand. The average pool price was approximately $62.78/MWh in early 2024 and averaged $133.63/MWh for 2023.
• Historical Averages for Solar: The volume-weighted average price realized by solar projects from the spot market (since the first major project in 2017) is approximately $64/MWh.
• Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs): Many large-scale solar projects secure long-term PPAs with industrial consumers or electricity retailers. These contracts lock in a predictable price for the electricity generated, which may differ from the immediate spot market price and are not publicly disclosed in detail.
• Merchant Basis: Some projects operate purely on a merchant basis, selling all power into the spot market and managing price volatility through financial hedging or by combining solar with energy storage.

?Note on Micro-generation: Smaller-scale solar systems (under 5 MW, including residential and small commercial) operate under a different system called net metering or net billing. Owners are credited at their retail electricity rate (which can be between 8.77 ¢/kWh and 30 ¢/kWh, depending on the retailer and "Solar Club" rate structure) for excess power sent to the grid. The utility-scale projects mentioned above do not typically use this mechanism.?

[Hamloc]

We can't read your screenshot hamloc.

But are ready to admit you got net metering pricing completely wrong? I am part of the program in Saskatchewan. And your knowledge is obviously limited.

You don't understand this well enough to be making claims about the price paid for solar.

In the claim above you are talking about micro generation systems which is a smaller part of the total. And this is the price paid for excess production under net metering. See note on Micro Generation.

The vast majority of solar is large scale that pays 6.4 cents per kwh on average in the spot market and the PPAS likely have lower fixed prices that are not disclosed.

Large utility-scale solar PV systems in Alberta are generally paid based on the
Alberta wholesale electricity market price (pool price) or through specific Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs), with prices averaging around $64/MWh (or roughly 6.4 ¢/kWh) from 2017 onwards.


Here's a breakdown of how the pricing works:

• Wholesale Market (Pool Price): Alberta has an "energy-only" market. Utility-scale generators sell their electricity into the provincial grid at the real-time wholesale "pool price," which fluctuates based on supply and demand. The average pool price was approximately $62.78/MWh in early 2024 and averaged $133.63/MWh for 2023.
• Historical Averages for Solar: The volume-weighted average price realized by solar projects from the spot market (since the first major project in 2017) is approximately $64/MWh.
• Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs): Many large-scale solar projects secure long-term PPAs with industrial consumers or electricity retailers. These contracts lock in a predictable price for the electricity generated, which may differ from the immediate spot market price and are not publicly disclosed in detail.
• Merchant Basis: Some projects operate purely on a merchant basis, selling all power into the spot market and managing price volatility through financial hedging or by combining solar with energy storage.

Note on Micro-generation: Smaller-scale solar systems (under 5 MW, including residential and small commercial) operate under a different system called net metering or net billing. Owners are credited at their retail electricity rate (which can be between 8.77 ¢/kWh and 30 ¢/kWh, depending on the retailer and "Solar Club" rate structure) for excess power sent to the grid. The utility-scale projects mentioned above do not typically use this mechanism.

So you can’t read your own post?
”Owners are credited at their retail electricity rate(which can be between 8.77 cents a kwh and 30 cents a kwh depending on the retailer and Solar Club rate structure) for excess power sent to the grid.”
What my above post says which you pretended you couldn’t read was that during the summer a home owner with a solar system can chose to buy and sell their electricity at 30 cents a kilowatt(which is what your post said as well) making solar electricity almost 4 times as expensive(30 cents as opposed to 8.77 as per your post) than traditionally generated electricity in Alberta. In the winter(when solar is producing less than consumption) in Alberta you can chose to go back to the lower rate with no penalty. I stated you were credited for power production at 8.9 cents a kilowatt in Alberta, 7.5 cents in Saskatchewan, you said I was wrong and didn’t understand net metering, your post agrees with what I said.

[fjlip]

CC tell yourself...in the mirror, what ever the phuck makes you happy, nobody is listening!

[Landdownunder]

CC tell yourself...in the mirror, what ever the phuck makes you happy, nobody is listening!

use ignore button mate agriville improves

[chuckChuck]

Land down under and Flipper are just not up for the debate! LOL

Hamloc just can't seem to get his facts straight and keeps misunderstanding.

Hamloc you got net metering programing and pricing wrong and now you are again off the rails on utility scale solar in Alberta.

Hamloc Most of the solar PV in Alberta is not small scale micro generation, it's large scale utility sized providers who are not paid 8 to 30 cents per kwh. The pooled price average is 6.2 cents and historical average is 6.4 cents per kwh.

So it's time you start figuring this out by reading the whole post instead of fixating on your misunderstandings!

Read it again Hamloc and forget about the micro generation niche programs!

• Wholesale Market (Pool Price): Alberta has an "energy-only" market. Utility-scale generators sell their electricity into the provincial grid at the real-time wholesale "pool price," which fluctuates based on supply and demand. The average pool price was approximately $62.78/MWh in early 2024 and averaged $133.63/MWh for 2023.
• Historical Averages for Solar: The volume-weighted average price realized by solar projects from the spot market (since the first major project in 2017) is approximately $64/MWh.
• Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs): Many large-scale solar projects secure long-term PPAs with industrial consumers or electricity retailers. These contracts lock in a predictable price for the electricity generated, which may differ from the immediate spot market price and are not publicly disclosed in detail.

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[Hamloc]

Land down under and Flipper are just not up for the debate! LOL

Hamloc just can't seem to get his facts straight and keeps misunderstanding.

Hamloc you got net metering programing and pricing wrong and now you are again off the rails on utility scale solar in Alberta.

Hamloc Most of the solar PV in Alberta is not small scale micro generation, it's large scale utility sized providers who are not paid 8 to 30 cents per kwh. The pooled price average is 6.2 cents and historical average is 6.4 cents per kwh.

So it's time you start figuring this out by reading the whole post instead of fixating on your misunderstandings!

Read it again Hamloc and forget about the micro generation niche programs!

• Wholesale Market (Pool Price): Alberta has an "energy-only" market. Utility-scale generators sell their electricity into the provincial grid at the real-time wholesale "pool price," which fluctuates based on supply and demand. The average pool price was approximately $62.78/MWh in early 2024 and averaged $133.63/MWh for 2023.
• Historical Averages for Solar: The volume-weighted average price realized by solar projects from the spot market (since the first major project in 2017) is approximately $64/MWh.
• Power Purchase Agreements (PPAs): Many large-scale solar projects secure long-term PPAs with industrial consumers or electricity retailers. These contracts lock in a predictable price for the electricity generated, which may differ from the immediate spot market price and are not publicly disclosed in detail.

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Chuck2 you are the one bragging up on farm micro generation. I am pointing out that in Alberta in the summer months when solar panels produce the most electricity you can elect to buy and sell your electricity at 30 cents a kilowatt making it the most expensive type of electrical generation in Alberta. Now undoubtedly this makes the payback time of a solar micro generation system shorter.
As for commercial land wasting solar installations I can see what they charge for the power they produce but the cost isn’t shown for what the equivalent sized natural gas generator costs to produce that same kilowatt when the sun isn’t shining. Or what it costs to have this natural gas plant sitting idle during the day sitting on standby ready to ramp up. Or conversely what would the capital cost be for a large enough battery installation to give you 24 hour power. And what percentage of your output from the panels would be required to charge those batteries at different times of the year.

[chuckChuck]

Lots of questions Hamloc.

Micro generation in Saskatchewan is not the same as in Alberta because we have Sask Power. They make the rules.

Our solar system lowers our costs over time and pays for itself especially as prices will rise over 30 years.

The most important point is renewables are some the lowest cost electricity available on most of the planet.

So how do we take advantage of them and still build a reliable system. It looks like a lot of countries are well on their way.

And solar is not land wasting if you get paid $700 - 1200 per acre. Its a good investment. You can also graze that land!

Do you think the oil industry doesn't need or use any land? LOL If so, you are just a convenient hippo crit!