Solar Farms

[chuckChuck]

The facts speak for themselves. You lost the argument about renewables lowering electricity prices and now you are going to make all kinds of lame excuses!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

All along I've been asking you for an example of wind or solar not resulting in high prices to the end users.

You still haven't found any exceptions.

You can invoke all the conspiracies you want about why it never results in cheaper energy to the consumer.

It doesn't change the reality

[Hamloc]

All along I've been asking you for an example of wind or solar not resulting in high prices to the end users.

You still haven't found any exceptions.

You can invoke all the conspiracies you want about why it never results in cheaper energy to the consumer.

It doesn't change the reality

I am curious what facts he is talking about. On Enmax if you want so-called green energy it costs more money. Those are the facts Chuck2.

[shtferbrains]

"On our farm every solar kwh displaces a more expensive kwh from Sask Power."

Don't I recall going multi pages on this before where you concluded that your solar project was more of a personal interest hobby but a poor investment?
Many other investment opportunities that didn't require taxpayer support that would make more on that money with no work or maintenance?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Since Chuck's solar is replacing more expensive kilowatt hours from Saak power. And since he keeps pronouncing how affordable and available battery storage is now.
What could possibly be the holdup on disconnecting from the grid a d using that free solar energy all day long, and all year round?

Not making a very convincing argument when he stays connected to the supposedly much more expensive grid.

[chuckChuck]

Now that you lost the argument you want to make the lower prices only for end users?

The Life Time Cost of Electricity (LCOE) show wind and solar as the lowest cost electricity option for new generation capacity in many places.

Spain's lower wholesale prices attributed to large amounts of lower cost renewables are another example of lower prices. Whether the lower prices are passed on to consumers is a function of the electricity market and government policy.

Consumer prices depend on a lot of other factors beyond generation costs.

Alberta has had higher unregulated rates than Saskatchewan because of the structure of their market and "economic with holding". Several Alberta economists have documented this pricing model.

Saskatchewan has lower rates because their rates are regulated.

But don't let that stop you from making a sweeping generalized untrue statement that higher electricity prices are always a result of renewables.

The real world of electricity costs for consumers are a lot more complex than a simple absurd generalizations from a full time antiscience denier from Alberta!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So the fact that every single case, wind and solar have resulted in much higher energy prices to the consumer is irrelevant to you. All that matters is that in theory it is cheaper at the wholesale level.
Must be a conspiracy of the energy companies to not pass on those savings.

Do you fall for every internet scam that shows up in your inbox too?

Could it be that delivering wind and solar energy to the consumer on demand 24 hours a day every day of the year has some costs that far outweigh the cost of generation? It certainly looks that way everywhere it has been attempted.

[shtferbrains]

Chuck's morning devotion.
Doesn't want to miss a day or he might lose the faith.

One more time?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Maybe I should refer to Chuck as the pretend socialist.
He's championing an energy system that hurts the consumer the most, while enriching big corporations.
Then makes daily excuses as to why this is a good arrangement.

Aren't you NDP'ers supposed to be anti big business, while standing up for the working class?

[Grain Farmer]

No wind mills or solar panels.