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    America the Just

    America the Just
    By David Frum
    Posted: Monday, November 14, 2005

    ARTICLES
    National Post (Canada)
    Publication Date: November 14, 2005

    As he opened his 2004 election campaign, a scandal-battered Paul Martin reached for a time-tested election winner:

    "I know the arithmetic of the tax cut equation," he said. "You can have a country like Canada. You can have a country like the United States. That's a choice you can make.

    "But you cannot have a health care system like Canada's, and you cannot have social programs like Canada's, with taxation levels like those in the United States."

    Now, as a matter of literal truth, Martin's words were not quite accurate. Canadian federal and provincial governments together spend just south of US$2,500 per person on health care. Multiplied by the 296 million people who live in the United States, that translates to US$740-billion--or US$60-billion less than American federal and state governments spend now on their existing health programs.

    Put it this way: Canada could have American tax rates and the Canadian health care system--if Canada had an economy as rich as that of the United States.

    But if Martin's words were literally false, there is no doubt that they expressed a psychological truth. Many Canadians want to believe that America is a radically less just society than Canada--and Canadians most especially want to believe that when they notice that the American economy is outperforming Canada's, as it did throughout the years when Paul Martin was managing Canada's finances.

    And so they tell themselves that America's lower taxes and higher GDP per capita, lower unemployment and faster growth are all achieved at the expense of more important values: equality, fairness and health care for all.

    And indeed, in some important ways, Canada does deliver better results to Canadians than U.S. society delivers to Americans. Crime is generally lower in Canada, as is infant mortality, as is child poverty. (In other respects, it should be said, Canada does worse: Unemployment is higher in Canada, average incomes are lower both before and after tax, and Canadians who suffer heart attacks and other illnesses requiring prompt medical attention are less likely to survive than their American neighbours.)

    But is this "justice"?

    Critics of American society have a habit of equating justice with equality--the more equal the society, the more just it is. By this criterion, Canada is more just than the United States, and France is more just than Canada, Denmark is more just than France, and so on. By this criterion, the Soviet Union was more just than post-Soviet Russia, Mao's Cultural Revolution was more just than Hong Kong, and North Korea may well be more just than South Korea--and down the backward slide we go, from error to absurdity to horror.

    There's another and better way to think of justice: A just society is not one that seeks to achieve fair results, but one that lives by fair rules, fairly enforced. The philosophers describe this kind of justice as commutative rather than distributive justice. Lawyers describe it as "the rule of law." Maybe it's most vividly summoned up by a British music-hall song from the 1930s quoted in one of George Orwell's essays:

    "Oh you can't do that here,

    No you can't do that here.

    Maybe you can do that over there,

    But you can't do that here."

    What is it that they can do over there--but can't do over here? Lawyers and philosophers have battled over precise definitions for centuries, but here are some of the main elements of a society under the rule of law:

    The rules are equal: What is lawful for one person should be lawful for all; what is forbidden to one should be forbidden to all.
    The rules are predictable: Individual rights and duties should be knowable in advance, and should not be changed after the fact without the individual's consent.
    The rules are stable: When the rules change, they change only with enough notice so that individuals can alter their behavior in time.
    The rules are supreme: Nobody can be punished unless they have violated one of those equal, predictable, and stable rules.
    You can find some version of those rules in every bill of rights of every modern democracy, including Canada's. But it was the Americans who were the first to incorporate them into their fundamental law, 216 years ago. And even now, all these years later, the Americans still live by the principles of the rule of law more consistently than any other nation--and far more consistently, it is sobering to reflect, than Canadians. . . despite Canada's free health care.

    Take principle one, equality before the law. That principle has been bent in the United States by affirmative action and racial preferences, but it has not been utterly discarded. In her majority opinion in the 2004 case of Grutter v. Bollinger, which upheld racial preferences at the University of Michigan Law School, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor opined that preferences should be seen as a temporary deviation from the enduring principles of equal justice. She warned that the court expected such preferences to disappear over the next 25 years, explaining: "Enshrining a permanent justification for racial preferences would offend this fundamental equal protection principle."

    But Canada has enshrined permanent racial preferences into Canadian law:

    Canadian citizens of native origin, for example, may hunt and fish when other citizens cannot. (R. v. Marshall, 1999.)
    British Columbians of native origin may claim lands on the basis of oral evidence that would be thrown out of court if offered by a non-native. (Delgamuukw v. British Columbia, 1997.)
    Generally speaking, governments may legally discriminate in favour of certain groups in hiring, firing and the distribution of public money. (Lovelace v. Ontario, 2000.)
    The Canadian and American legal systems are likewise diverging in their respect for the stability and predictability of the law.

    The U.S. constitution prohibits ex post facto laws and forbids states to pass laws impairing the obligations of contracts. In Canada, on the other hand, unmarried individuals have had the rights of marriage conferred on them and the obligations of marriage imposed upon them after the fact. (Miron v. Trudel, 1995; M. v. H., 1999). Private corporations have been punished for firing people they had every right to fire under the laws in place at the time. (Vriend v. Alberta, 1998.) And "final" marital separation agreements can be reopened by courts at any subsequent time, if those agreements are seen to disadvantage one spouse (Miglin v. Miglin, 2001)--although as a practical matter, courts will do so only if the spouse is the wife.

    The increasing divergence between American and Canadian norms of justice is not occurring by accident. The rule of law is a fundamentally individualist concept, and the ideal of justice protected by the rule of law is libertarian, not egalitarian. Canadian courts, by contrast, increasingly think in collectivist terms. If in order to attain some vision of equality, men must be treated differently from women, or blacks from whites, or aboriginal Canadians from everybody else--well, so be it. Canada's newest Supreme Court justice, Rosalie Abella, warns that courts err when they have "allowed the individualism of civil liberties to trump the group realities of human rights."

    Every legal system has its flaws and failures. The U.S. civil justice system wreaks plenty of havoc: Just a very few weeks ago, for example, the drug-maker Merck was hit with a $253-million judgment against its painkiller Vioxx, in a case marked by blithe disregard of scientific and medical evidence by a Texas jury. ("Jurors who voted against Merck said much of the science sailed right over their heads," said the Wall Street Journal. " 'Whenever Merck was up there, it was like wah, wah, wah,' said juror John Ostrom, imitating the sounds Charlie Brown's teacher makes in the television cartoon. 'We didn't know what the heck they were talking about.' ")

    The defects of other legal systems are, however, weak condolence for the failures of one's own. "Justice, justice shalt thou pursue," decrees the lawgiver of Deuteronomy, and it is an obligation binding on each and every nation.

    The United States has sought to pursue justice by adhering to the ancient ideals of the rule of law. Canada, like the social democracies of Europe, has attempted a different path. Justice has anciently been depicted blindfolded, weighing litigants in her scales without partiality. The Canadian ideal, however, increasing demands that Justice open her eyes--and put a thumb on the scales to assist her chosen favorites.

    Almost four decades ago, the most anti-American of all Canadian prime ministers urged Canadians to make themselves a "just society." It would shock him and those who think like him to hear those words applied instead to the United States. But that only means that in the interim, Canada has itself drifted so far away from justice as to have lost sight of the most fundamental and most important meaning of the word in the civilization to which Canada belongs.

    #2
    Well America certainly isn't perfect but they do have a freer and more just society than Canada. Now mind you they are slipping gradually too? And they do some crazy things with wars and shooting the hell out of each other!
    Americans get a bad rap for being greedy and dog eat dog kind of thing, but the fact is American citizens give more to charity, churches, missionary work than anyone else in the world!
    Why is it that most immigrants want to come to America? One reason...it is still the land of opportunity if you want to work hard and try to get ahead!
    I believe Canada also is a land of opportunity, despite the really poor government we've had the last thirty years or so? But really we need to get the scoundrels out of office and we need to tell Quebec they aren't running the show anymore? If they leave, well they leave! You can't sacrifice the whole country just to keep one area happy, because sooner or later someone else is going to get sick of paying the bills.

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      #3
      David Frum is an anti-Canadian twit who would sell his mother's headstone for a fistfull of Yankee dollars. I have no use for the traitorous american wannabee scum.

      He is not 'approved' by GWB as he once was.

      Humbug...

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        #4
        Funny, I never saw anything in that article about headstones, or the author's mother for that matter.
        If you disagree with someone wilagro wouldn't it be better to list the points of disagreement and why you think your viewpoint is better?

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          #5
          I noted the comment regarding the U.S. and rule of law. Would this be the same rule of law that sees trade in Canadian cow beef continue to be blocked while the U.S. has it own BSE situation. Would this be the same rule of law that sees restrictions on our live UTM cattle while the U.S. continues to pretend they somehow do not have BSE while we do. Would this be the same rule of law that will see our cow beef and live cows blocked at the border until mid 2006 or into 2007 until a new “rule” is published?

          “The rules are equal: What is lawful for one person should be lawful for all; what is forbidden to one should be forbidden to all.” Nice words but in practice the U.S. behaves differently Canadian beef producers, and for that matter softwood lumber producers have a pretty clear idea of how U.S. rule of law works.

          The U.S. a just society? “A just society is not one that seeks to achieve fair results, but one that lives by fair rules, fairly enforced”. We have seen first hand what the U.S. considers to be fairly enforced. This is an agricultural site and there is no way you are going to BS Canadian agriculture producers, whether beef, hogs, wheat or corn that the U.S. is a just society.

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            #6
            Don't be so smug. We gave the WTO the finger when they ruled we should stop subsidizing Bombardier and their jets. Was that just?

            It is pretty funny to hear anti american comments like those when we live in a country that does not even believe that it's citizens deserve rights over their own propery. God what a great gov't we have allowed to rule us eh?

            The Americans look after their own interests that is for sure, but at least they have a system of government that has some checks and balances instead of centralizing things in the PMO.

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              #7
              Wilagro...you must find it very the****utic to dismiss and insult with out addressing the subject, it completly removes the need to think.

              farmers-son, where and when was it suggested (or written)that the U.S. MUST confir on you, or Canadians, the same rights and protections it affords its own citizens??

              That, by the way is what the artical is about. Best you and wilagro re-read it...a little slower.

              He is trying to help you! But instead you both are so blinded by your anti-Americanism and your silly notion that the Americans owe us a market that the instant response is a negative knee-jerk reaction.

              You Liberals are so easy to flush and flesh out.

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                #8
                The Americans actions speak for themselves.

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                  #9
                  Thats right, and so does Canada's.

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                    #10
                    ivbinConned: I read the article very, very slowly and guess what? I came to the same conclusion as I did before. It is easy to dismiss David Frum...I have read quite a few of his articles. He is like a man without a country now as he accepted the American way of life and their politics, but they didn't care for the way he 'sucked up' to them and consequently discounted his crap the same way that I discount it.
                    Wordsmiths are a-dime-a-dozen. Frum likes to write empty worded junk in hope that someone will notice and pat him on the head and say 'nice boy'.

                    America may HAVE been the land of the 'just' at one time but it has in my opinion morphed into a state manipulated by special interests.

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                      #11
                      Ok F_S, I’ll bite. I’ll only address the one area of the article that you’ve made address agriculture.

                      Do you know anyone who lost cattle sales to Brazil when Liberal Prime Minister Chretien banned Brazilian beef for possible BSE contamination back in 2001? I do.
                      Let me refresh your memory of why in this excerpt from the following 2001 article.

                      Quote “The Canadian government rescinded its ban on imports of Brazilian beef on Friday, February 23 (2001).

                      The object of both widespread international criticism and opposition from within Canada's own Food Inspection Agency, the three-week ban was purportedly imposed because of fears that Brazilian beef might be contaminated with bovine spongiform encephalopathy or Mad Cow Disease.

                      In announcing the lifting of the ban, Canadian officials noted that Brazil had agreed henceforth to certify that any meat it exports to Canada has come only from cattle born in Brazil and after the imposition of a 1996 ban on feeding cattle with beef or sheep parts.

                      In diplomatic circles, however, it is conceded that the ban left the Canadian government with egg on its face.

                      From the start, the Brazilian government charged that the Canadian ban had nothing to do with concerns about the safety of Brazilian beef. Rather it was a not so subtle attempt to strike back at Brazil in an ongoing trade dispute over state subsidies to regional jet manufacturers. Brazil's Embraer S.A. is the principal rival of Canadian-based Canadair.
                      Canada's Liberal government imposed the ban on Brazilian beef at a time when the cabinet was known to be debating the imposition of trade sanctions against Brazil.”endquote
                      Full article at http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/feb2001/can-f26.shtml
                      Sound familiar? Canada overruling its own Food Inspection Agency! And all for the truly pathetic reason of protecting Canada’s favorite corporate welfare bum, Bombardier.

                      Better pick your stones more carefully before you start throwing them.

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                        #12
                        Does Power Corp. own any of Bombardier? Was there some sort of scandal where Power Corp. was involved in some crooked scheme to get around the rules of the Iraq embargo?
                        Does it ever concern anyone that this Quebec based family firm has so much influence in this country?
                        And actually FS I wouldn't be trotting out George Bushes record as a businessman? It is a remarkable tale of failures and collusion with the Bin Laden family! The old man knew how to make a buck but Shrub was pretty pathetic?

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                          #13
                          the neocons will leave the usa weaker militarily, economically and socially. they will also be more susceptible to terrorist attack because their invasion of iraq leaves them more isolated and with less cooperation in combatting al-qaida. this administration is a big step in the demise of the american empire.

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                            #14
                            Farmranger: I agree 100% with your post on Brazil. None of the Canadian parties are perfect, that is for sure.

                            And while there are examples in American history where greatness was shown I have not seen much of that lately.

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                              #15
                              wilago, once again its bla bla from you with out any specifics. Please, please just take one or all of Frums piece, disect it, and tell show us error. And do it without the insults.

                              But further to try and demonstate my point, about yours and others predictble anti-American attitude while at the same time embracing or ignoring the garbage in our own house, let me copy and paste part of your silly post here and show how your critisisms apply here too.

                              "America may HAVE been the land of the 'just' at one time but it has in my opinion morphed into a state manipulated by special interests."

                              You could replace the word "America" with "Canada" and the same truth applies. duh!

                              The difference between you and me is that you get some theripudic comfort critcizing anything American but keep your rose colored glasses firmly in place when confronted with the realities here at home.

                              You deny the truth that your reason shows you...pity. But very liberal! Its what our society eccels at isn't it...denying reality.

                              Lets clean up our house instead of practicing the "lieberal" tactic of deflecting all our attention and anger at others, where, incidently we have no influence.

                              Just one last comment(farmers-son) as to your desire for a leader with business back ground. If the man who was the financial controler of YOUR company was discovered to have squandered million's or billions on useless ideas and bribery I suspect you would want him fired!

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