Trump’s business empire could collapse ‘like falling dominoes’ after ruling

[agstar77]

The rubber meets the road today. We will see what penalty the fraudster will pay.

[shtferbrains]

I'm not worried about Trump.

We've got our own problems.

[sumdumguy]

Trump grew up thinking he was a big wheel - tainted his personality. But some guys have an inflated self-image and turn into wrecking balls that make an entire nation pay for it.

We all know people like that- heh BugWheel?😂

[cropgrower]

Looks like sleepy Joe is going to start again building Trumps wall ! after spending the whole time Trump was in office non stop whineing about it

[newguy]

Trump will keep things going in the news as long as his cult keep sending him money.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

With the benefit of hindsight, the left is slowly realizing they can agree with the message even if they dislike the messenger.

Journalist Bari Weiss, a Jewish liberal who quit the New York Times over its anti-Semitism, writes:

”As a Democrat who has been left homeless, who is now definitely in the center but probably leaning increasingly right, I am left yet again with an appreciation, despite the messenger, of the message of the Trump administration because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight.”

“So much of the work that happened in that [Trump] administration turns out to have been right. And that’s what is so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East? We didn’t like the messenger, so we killed the message.”

“When are we gonna stop shooting ourselves in the foot? And when are we going to actually see and take the time to look past who is saying things and actually listen to them word for word?”

“If it’s clear that the last two weeks have been a wake-up call, the next question is: Why?”

“Part of the answer is the sheer depravity of Hamas’s terrorism. That depravity has made the justification and celebration of their acts by those who police pronouns that much starker. The contradictions and moral bankruptcy of a worldview that spends years worrying about microaggressions and tone policing, but can’t decide what side it is on after the beheading of babies, aren’t exactly difficult to spot.”

“To put it another way: when Black Lives Matter organizations are lionizing Islamist terrorists by posting a paraglider logo, you’d be a fool not to reassess things.”

“The events of the last week have shattered the illusion that wokeness is about protecting victims and standing up for persecuted minorities. This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power.

“And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.”

[sumdumguy]

Ultimate Power and Vexatious Greed:

This ideology is and has always been about the one thing many of us have told you it is about for years: power.

“And after the last two weeks, there can be no doubt about how these people will use any power they seize: they will seek to destroy, in any way they can, those who disagree.”
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Remind you of our Despot?

[Guest]

Trump will keep things going in the news as long as his cult keep sending him money.

Liking your own posts ?

[chuckChuck]

Many of Trumps enablers (lawyers) have pleaded guilty and taken plea deals in Georgia instead of taking their chances.

They just keep pleading guilty to assisting Trump in trying overturn the election results! Funny that!

They all have agreed to testify for the prosecution as part of the plea deal. Oh shit says the orange one!

Its not looking good for the Liar in Chief! LOL

[cropgrower]

worry about the bunch of crooks running this country , what are your thoughts on the 54 million arive cant scam app ? that at they are trying so hard to cover up now

[cropgrower]

worry about the bunch of crooks running this country , what are your thoughts on the 54 million arrive cant scam app ? that at they are trying so hard to cover up now

[chuckChuck]

Yes Doug Ford's government looks like a bunch of crooks over the greenbelt land scandal.

Similar to Brad Wall and the GTH land deals with Bill Boyd.

And then there are the crooks in Alberta like Danny Smith who gives the oil companies a free pass on cleaning up well sites and then wants to make taxpayers pay for them.

The crooks are more likely to be Conservatives and the party supporters. But you don't want to talk about them do you? LOL

[Guest]

And Trudeau ? How does he look?

[shtferbrains]

And Trudeau ? How does he look?

$8 million dollar barn!
Could you run a 10,000 acre farm out of a yard with storage that would cost less than that?

Arrive Can app for $54 million. Most of the money went though "Ghost contactors" who did nothing.
Some say they could have wrote the app for $80K.

We Charity got $30 million for nothing.

SNC still doing government contracts. Always over budget by billions.

Too many to list.

When you send in your taxes just assume politicians are going to steal and waste most of it.
Like flushing it down the shithole.

[chuckChuck]

The Shit Deepens!

Top Trump allies facing charges lose lawyers after failing to pay legal bills

Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani and Mike Lindell, who pushed false claims about the 2020 election, face six- and seven-figure bills
Peter Stonein Washington DC
Tue 31 Oct 2023 11.00 GMT
Last modified on Tue 31 Oct 2023 11.03 GMT

A trio of top Donald Trump allies who have racked up huge legal expenses to defend themselves from either criminal charges, convictions or defamation lawsuits have lost key lawyers for failing to pay six- and seven-figure bills in a sign of the huge legal problems they face.

The hefty legal bills of ex-Trump advisor Steve Bannon, former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, underscore the scale of the criminal and civil charges that ensnare them.

Welcome to the escalating legal and financial headaches plaguing three of the former US president’s top loyalists who pushed various false claims about his 2020 election loss to Joe Biden that helped provide cover for Trump’s election falsehoods.

The list of legal woes is long.

Bannon has a court appeal slated for November over his criminal conviction last year and pending four-month jail sentence for obstructing Congress by spurning a subpoena from the House panel that was probing the January 6 insurrection.

Bannon also faces a trial next May in New York related to state fraud, conspiracy and money laundering charges that he bilked donors in a Mexican wall project, dubbed “We Build the Wall.”

Meanwhile, Giuliani was charged in August with 13 criminal counts in Georgia by Fulton county district attorney Fani Willis who also charged Trump and 17 others as part of a conspiracy to thwart Trump’s 2020 loss there. Pressures on Giuliani escalated in October when three other ex-Trump lawyers he worked with in varying ways agreed to plead guilty and cooperate with prosecutors.

Further, Lindell is fighting $2bn defamation lawsuits by electronic voting machine firms he has claimed helped rig the 2020 against Trump, which have cost him millions of dollars in legal fees owed to a Minneapolis law firm.

In October, the law firm formally asked a court to allow it to withdraw from representing Lindell in these cases, citing millions of dollars it was owed.

On another legal front, a top lawyer for Bannon and Giuliani has ditched them and filed big claims for monies owed. Robert Costello and his firm, which has represented both Giuliani and Bannon, have filed separate claims against the duo, respectively, for $1.4m and $480,000.

A court judgement has been issued against Bannon for the $480,000, which he’s fighting with the help of lawyer Harlan Protass. It’s unclear when and how much Giuliani may pay Costello and his firm. But a legal source familiar with Giuliani’s seven-figure debt faults Trump not Giuliani for the unpaid bill, claiming that Trump at a meeting with Costello and Giuliani earlier this year in Florida said he would “take care of” Giuliani’s legal bill.

On top of their past due legal bills, Giuliani and Bannon now are also locked in other high stakes legal battles.

In Georgia, Guiliani’s legal situation seems to have become more perilous: lawyers Jenna Ellis, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell who worked in varying ways with Giuliani as he pushed false claims in Georgia and elsewhere about Trump’s loss, pled guilty in October, and agreed to cooperate with Willis’ office

Giuliani has called his indictment a “travesty”, but ex-prosecutors say that he faces new pressures in the wake of other Trump lawyers’ plea deals.

“As expected, the dominoes have started to fall in Georgia with three plea agreements by key Trump lawyers who in different ways worked with Rudy,” Paul Pelletier, the ex-acting chief of the fraud section at the justice department, told the Guardian.

“Rudy too may want to plead and cooperate to reduce his exposure, but no prosecutor in their right mind would use him as a cooperating witness. There’s simply no way to undo the entrenched legacy of his outlandish behavior.”

Other ex-prosecutors concur that Giuliani’s credentials as a witness are tarnished.

“Rudy’s under huge pressure, but he’s unlikely to flip because that would be the rational thing to do,” ex-prosecutor Paul Rosenzweig told the Guardian.

Still some justice department veterans say Giuliani may try to cut a deal.

“Giuliani must be concerned that Powell and Ellis will testify against him and add to the likelihood of conviction,” said Barbara McQuade, a former US attorney for eastern Michigan, told the Guardian. “It may not be in Giuliani‘s DNA to admit wrongdoing, but now would be the time to pursue a deal from Fani Willis if he is willing to plead guilty.”

Giuliani reportedly has not been offered a plea deal so far, and Giuliani’s spokesman has nixed the idea of accepting one.

In another blow in Georgia, Giuliani was found liable in August for making defamatory comments about two Georgia election workers, and later ordered to pay their legal fees and turn over evidence to them.

Further, the voting technology firm Smartmatic in August skewered Giuliani in court filings, charging him with making up “excuse after excuse” to avoid handing over documents in its $2.7bn defamation lawsuit against him, Fox News, and others who pushed lies about the 2020 election results.
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Despite his mounting problems, Giuliani has kept some longtime allies. John Catsimatidis, the billionaire owner of WABC radio, where Giuliani has a daily radio program, told the Guardian that Giuliani “earns good money with us. He gets paid monthly.” Catsimatidis added that: “I pray he’s found innocent.”

Although Bannon’s legal problems differ, they are just as intense, if not more so.

The combative Trump ally, known for his far-right War Room podcast, was convicted last year and sentenced to four months in jail for obstruction of Congress by flouting subpoenas to cooperate with the House panel that probed the January 6 insurrection and Trump’s role.

Bannon appealed the conviction and a court hearing is slated for November.

Although Judge Carl Nichols, in granting Bannon an appeal of his conviction, left the door open to a possible reversal or new trial, ex-prosecutors don’t think Bannon’s conviction is likely to be reversed.

“I think Bannon‘s conviction is on very solid ground,” McQuade told the Guardian. “He failed to even appear when subpoenaed by Congress. If he thought he had a good faith basis for a testimonial privilege, the way to assert it would have been to show up and answer all other questions, and to assert the privilege on a question-by-question basis. He failed to do even that.

“Moreover, because he was not an executive branch employee during the relevant time period, his claims of executive privilege are flimsy to nonexistent.”

Other ex-prosecutors are dubious that Bannon’s appeal will succeed.

“Even though Judge Nichols said Bannon’s appeal was serious, it is not. Bannon has almost no chance of overturning his conviction. He’s manifestly guilty,” Rosenzweig told the Guardian.

Separately, Bannon is due to stand trial next May on New York state charges that he defrauded donors to his non profit “We Build the Wall” project, which already has led to three pleas or convictions of Bannon associates.

Bannon’s trial will be in the same court in Manhattan that ruled he owed Costello’s law firm $480,000 dollars. His lawyer is slated to be Protass, who is appealing the court’s fee decision against Bannon which he’s called “clearly wrong”.

Bannon has pleaded not guilty to the charges of defrauding donors.

Right before Trump left office in early 2021 he pardoned Bannon, who had been indicted on similar federal fraud charges for his role in “We Build the Wall”.

Notwithstanding his mounting legal threats, Bannon remains an aggressive and busy Trump ally. In October, he used his War Room podcast to host some of Trump’s most far-right Maga allies like Florida representative Matt Gaetz, who played a key role in ousting former House speaker Kevin McCarthy.

Some ex-Republican congressmen view Bannon as a disruptive, pro-Trump political force. “Bannon always struck me as a leader of the nihilist wing of the GOP coalition,” ex-Republican congressman Charlie Dent told the Guardian. “His intervention with the speaker’s race was clearly a problem and advanced Trump’s interest in the House.”

“He’s like Trump: all grievances, all the time.”