wokeness

[furrowtickler]

There has been billions and billions paid out , when is enough, enough ??

[fjlip]

Been said before, colonizers brought First Nations out of the Stone Age. No wheel, no horse, no written language. Guaranteed not a single one would go back to pre European civilization.

We all benefited, agree , it’s a wash. Nobody owes anyone.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And of course all settler families, their descendants, the larger Canadian community, and more recent immigrants all have benefited from colonization. Some more than others.

Would you say that first Nations themselves have derived any benefits from colonization, or is this strictly a one-way Street?
Do healthcare and social programs and technology and the virtual elimination of famine the end of tribal warfare, guns, horses, automobiles, heated homes, education, law enforcement, Justice system, human rights, etc belong in the benefits column or the victims of colonization column?

One way to look at this is if the colonizers handed over the keys tomorrow and walked away, how many of these technologies and institutions would the first Nations immediately give up to return to the good old days?

Another thought, since the nfu which you are a member of is a strong advocate for the land back movement, assume we go through with that and return all the land to the tribes to whom it rightfully belonged to before the white man took it away, do you think there would be any disagreement amongst the various tribes as to who had the hereditary rights to what portion of canada? Or there were never any historical disputes over territory, their own intertribal legal system spelled out exactly what territory belonged to who? There have never been any wars over territory, the tribal distribution the day the white man came was set in stone since the beginning of time? The land back process would not result in any legal disagreements or civil war amongst or within tribes? Really think about the implications of that question.

[chuckChuck]

I am not personally blaming anyone for what happened in the past unless they were one of the abusers or furthering racists views.

Governments and churches are the ones that should take responsibility for harm done and the systemic problems, which is work in progress.

And of course all settler families, their descendants, the larger Canadian community, and more recent immigrants all have benefited from colonization. Some more than others.

But that doesn't mean we should ignore the results of past policies and harms done. Or deny the abuse or cultural genocide. Or deny the present day problems including lingering racism and intolerance.

[jazz]

in fact blaming people for something they did not do like you are doing CC makes folk more resentfull to the whole cause , so use your brain before you do more harm

Maybe chuck can tell us if our recent batch of immigrants bear any blame in this as well, or is it only settlers.

By my calculation, liberal lefty houses are also built on claimed native land.

So when will the apologies from those groups start flowing. I dont see chinese and indian immigrants wearing too many orange shirts unless they are NDP supporters.

[cropgrower]

in fact blaming people for something they did not do like you are doing CC makes folk more resentfull to the whole cause , so use your brain before you do more harm

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If you want a solution, you can start by acknowledging the harm that was done and admit that the legacy of the harm is still with us today in broken dysfunctional communities.

Harper apologized for the residential schools even though his government had nothing to do with them.

Many Conservatives want to blame first nations for all their problems, as if previous governments had nothing to do with what happened.

The residential school legacy continues and so does the very negative and unsympathetic attitude towards first nations people amongst some people.

Instead of blaming the victims of cultural genocide who lost their land and were put on uneconomic reserves with few resources so that settlers could take their land. Try to imagine how you would feel if the same happened to you.

Its well past time for reconciliation and working together to improves the lives of first nations. We will all be better off the sooner it happens.

And how effective has that victimhood strategy been? By what measures have their lives improved with all of the apologies and acknowledgments, canceling politicians, toppling statues, renaming landmarks etc? Or is this not a results based solution?

[cropgrower]

dont think their is anybody here that believes their was no harm done , but we are not one single bit to blame , what is the answer now ? no point ranting about what happened years ago nobody can go back and change that , what NOW ?

[chuckChuck]

If you want a solution, you can start by acknowledging the harm that was done and admit that the legacy of the harm is still with us today in broken dysfunctional communities.

Harper apologized for the residential schools even though his government had nothing to do with them.

Many Conservatives want to blame first nations for all their problems, as if previous governments had nothing to do with what happened.

The residential school legacy continues and so does the very negative and unsympathetic attitude towards first nations people amongst some people.

Instead of blaming the victims of cultural genocide who lost their land and were put on uneconomic reserves with few resources so that settlers could take their land. Try to imagine how you would feel if the same happened to you.

Its well past time for reconciliation and working together to improves the lives of first nations. We will all be better off the sooner it happens.

[TSIPP]

Thinking about gravesites, there are many tiny gravesites without markers in our cemeteries. Does that mean that those little people were murdered? No, it means, the markers were wooden and deteriorated in a hundred or more years. There were prairie fires that destroyed a lot of cemeteries too. Communication was almost non- existent, so how do you notify natives dispersed in bush and on trap lines that their child was ill and needed them? Or how would one get rid of the unclaimed body humanely? Think

Lots of graves on home quarters and what once was a home quarters, lots of the unmarked graves near the residential schools are farmers and people of European decent because the schools usually had a church near by.