Soverignty Acts

[tweety]

The senate seats are apportioned by the constitution, not elections, so we would have to open that baby up to get a change. So basically never happening.

So you agree 100% with Jagmeet Singh and the NDP.

80% of the Senators are independent - especially when Justin Trudeau as party leader in 2014 kicked out all 32 liberal Senators. There are however still 15 staunch Conservative Senators, so yes, keep whining nothing is fair.

[Guest]

so answer the question about MP's comparing PEI to Ab.?

[jazz]

So you agree 100% with Jagmeet Singh and the NDP.

80% of the Senators are independent - especially when Justin Trudeau as party leader in 2014 kicked out all 32 liberal Senators. There are however still 15 staunch Conservative Senators, so yes, keep whining nothing is fair.

There are no independent senators. Everybody knows that.

And the carbon tax isn’t constitutional either as Quebec just got a break on theirs yesterday so unequal taxation violates the document.

Just admit you are a Marxist. At least that we can understand. We have a couple of them on this site.

Let’s put tweety’s civics lesson to bed. Trudeau violated several articles of the constitution during covid. Unequal taxation is the core challenge to the carbon tax and after what Quebec just did it will be challenged again. And lastly smiths SA used a reference case from the SCC in 1990 which ruled the provinces are under no obligation to enforce federal laws. Quebec has had a sovereignty act on the books for 20yrs.

[tweety]

so answer the question about MP's comparing PEI to Ab.?

So you're worried about the absolute power that PEI holds over Canada?

[tweety]

There are no independent senators. Everybody knows that.

And the carbon tax isn’t constitutional either as Quebec just got a break on theirs yesterday so unequal taxation violates the document.

Just admit you are a Marxist. At least that we can understand. We have a couple of them on this site.

Prove that it isn't constitutional.

[jazz]

Prove that it isn't constitutional.

SO mask off moment eh. If unfairness is enshrined in the constitution, like the senate and equalization clearly are, then its all good.

You just went ahead and justified the Alberta Sovereignty Act. Thank you.

[tweety]

SO mask off moment eh. If unfairness is enshrined in the constitution, like the senate and equalization clearly are, then its all good.

You just went ahead and justified the Alberta Sovereignty Act. Thank you.

Prove it isn't constitutional. Your post is meaningless without actual proof. Like most of them

Prove reduction of carbon emission costs for Quebec to be less are not constitutional.

[blackpowder]

The gorilla in the room is representation by area or region.
Sooner or later it's mentioned and the conversation ends.
It won't easily be changed ever.
So the hypothetical debate is, do you see a problem.
The supporters of status quo do not.
Majority rule is balanced enough with Senate as is. City states eventually becoming the ruling class.
Something the designers of the Westminster system didn't envision. They lived on a small island nation with subservient colonies to rule.
That mindset of subservience to a distant power to me explains a lot about our culture and system today.
I myself do see a problem. But I know it will never be addressed. And I recognize that the majority of the population have no problems with it either.
I would rather be governed by peers than distant experts on my life. So I support any jurisdictional attempt to remind Ottawa of their place as our citizen law makers not our rulers.
Thought about that way, I congratulate Quebec. And request the same for the West.

[tweety]

The gorilla in the room is representation by area or region.
Sooner or later it's mentioned and the conversation ends.
It won't easily be changed ever.
So the hypothetical debate is, do you see a problem.
The supporters of status quo do not.
Majority rule is balanced enough with Senate as is. City states eventually becoming the ruling class.
Something the designers of the Westminster system didn't envision. They lived on a small island nation with subservient colonies to rule.
That mindset of subservience to a distant power to me explains a lot about our culture and system today.
I myself do see a problem. But I know it will never be addressed. And I recognize that the majority of the population have no problems with it either.
I would rather be governed by peers than distant experts on my life. So I support any jurisdictional attempt to remind Ottawa of their place as our citizen law makers not our rulers.
Thought about that way, I congratulate Quebec. And request the same for the West.

But isn't that the fundamental problem of a large Federation? No one feels fully represented - even though in the true spirit of democracy - they are. You can bet people living in parts of Ontario feel they aren't represented either.

[tweety]

The gorilla in the room is representation by area or region.
Sooner or later it's mentioned and the conversation ends.
It won't easily be changed ever.
So the hypothetical debate is, do you see a problem.
The supporters of status quo do not.
Majority rule is balanced enough with Senate as is. City states eventually becoming the ruling class.
Something the designers of the Westminster system didn't envision. They lived on a small island nation with subservient colonies to rule.
That mindset of subservience to a distant power to me explains a lot about our culture and system today.
I myself do see a problem. But I know it will never be addressed. And I recognize that the majority of the population have no problems with it either.
I would rather be governed by peers than distant experts on my life. So I support any jurisdictional attempt to remind Ottawa of their place as our citizen law makers not our rulers.
Thought about that way, I congratulate Quebec. And request the same for the West.

I struggle with the comment of ruler vs lawmaker. Right now we have a large representation of Liberal and NDP MP's together making the decisions. Fair enough, they were democratically elected. If the Liberals want to do anything, they can't. They need the support of others. Isn't this seemingly the best democracy can get?

How do you feel ruled?

I am sure many in Alberta are feeling they are ruled now.