Vaccines WTF

[chuckChuck]

March 2020. Which Conservative premiers were publicly saying Canada needs to produce its own vaccines in the next 7 months?

[jazz]

How about Providence in Calgary, U of S just a few months later and Sanofi has a plant in toronto built in 2018 that could have be retooled in the summer like the UK did.

Now Canada is a yr behind just building the facilities not to mention production and rollout.

Stop defending nonsense. Vaccines aren't solar panels.

[LEP]

So were Ford, Kenney, Pallister, Legault demanding that Trudeau build vaccine production capacity in Canada back in March 2020?

Were they in charge of acquiring vaccines and negotiating contracts? So your Lieberal defence is "I didn't do it because you didn't ask me to" ?

There are several examples put forth of Canadian facilities capable of being setup to manufacture vaccines. Even the one in Quebec is going to have output before September.

Do you not think the Lieberals should have worked on that in March of 2020 instead of Jan 2021??

US has approximately 35 million doses administered. Canada about 778,000. Wow. Trump really did have a better plan.

[sumdumguy]

Now Lep, do you think we would have conferred with Trump on any important issue? REALLY, we are so much smarter. (Sarcasm).

Some friends flew to Phoenix yesterday, were vaccinated same day.

[Partners]

March 2020. Which Conservative premiers were publicly saying Canada needs to produce its own vaccines in the next 7 months?

Nobody could talk with turdo cuz he was hiding in his gopher hole. Remember??

[VK58]

March 2020. Which Conservative premiers were publicly saying Canada needs to produce its own vaccines in the next 7 months?

Seems like I remember the PM kicking out the Conservatives out of the Parliamentary Task force to deal with Covid 19. Maybe one of them might have suggested that idea. Often wonder why that happened and no one talks about it.

[LEP]

So the Lieberals are still refusing to release the contracts with vaccine manufacturers. Citing confidentiality. Even though many other countries including UK and the US have released redacted copies. Just part of the open and transparent government that sunny ways promised when elected.

Continual screw ups on the vaccine program and that costs lives. With hundreds of lives lost every month, a two or three (or more) month delay translates into many lives lost at the hands on the Lieberal Cabinet.

[Guest]

The good news is that this experiment with an idiot is near over
Bad news is someone like Harper will hafta clean up the mess if indeed it can even be cleaned up ???
Chuck ,Dml others , you will have to explain to your grandkids how we went so wrong so fast and why you didn’t care about saddling them with record debt for the rest of your lives
These past events are a travesty

[jazz]

Hold on folks, new vaccine contracts signed.

[fjlip]

Such an INTELLIGENT educated pretty leader with hair...oh F uk that means SFA, I guess...real hard lesson Turd lovers/bootlickers.

https://nationalpost.com/news/how-ottawa-utterly-botched-canadas-covid-vaccine-acquisition https://nationalpost.com/news/how-ottawa-utterly-botched-canadas-covid-vaccine-acquisition

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-not-only-have-the-liberals-failed-us-on-obtaining-vaccines-they-wont-even-be-honest-about-it?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16 12549695 https://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-not-only-have-the-liberals-failed-us-on-obtaining-vaccines-they-wont-even-be-honest-about-it?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=16 12549695

[Guest]

can you believe the nerve of that sorry sack of shit
giving provinces shit for stopping vaccinations at christmas , when he knew no more were coming ?
is he delusional?

[MBgrower]

How about Providence in Calgary, U of S just a few months later and Sanofi has a plant in toronto built in 2018 that could have be retooled in the summer like the UK did.

Now Canada is a yr behind just building the facilities not to mention production and rollout.

Stop defending nonsense. Vaccines aren't solar panels.




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the world is coming to an end in ten years, due to climate change so whats the use?

[oldguy48]

BBC Report:

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55734257


Israel, one of the top countries when it comes to vaccinating against Covid-19, bought large stocks of the jab in exchange for acting as the world's guinea pig.
And scientists are watching data shared by the country keenly, for signs of how effective the vaccine is when given to a whole population.
So there was understandable concern when the man coordinating Israel's Covid response reportedly suggested a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine might not be as effective as reported.
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Addressing Prof Nachman Ash's quotes, the Israeli Ministry of Health said: "The comments of the Israeli Covid-19 commissioner regarding the effect of the first dose of the vaccine were out of context and, therefore, inaccurate.
"The commissioner said we have yet to see a decrease in the number of severely ill patients."
The "full protective impact of the vaccine" was expected to be seen soon, a spokesperson added.
After vaccination, the body needs time to recognise the virus's genetic material and mount an immune response - producing the antibodies and T-cells that block the virus from entering cells and killing off those cells that do become infected.
And it takes a minimum of two weeks - but probably more - to really take effect, immunologists including Prof Danny Altmann at Imperial College London, say.
Some of the people who were hospitalised in recent weeks will have received a first dose of the vaccine. But that's not necessarily a sign it hasn't been effective.
Given the time it takes for immunity to build and unvaccinated people to become exposed to the virus, incubate it and develop symptoms, the national data would not be expected to reflect the impact of vaccination for at least a month.
'Early protection'
Clalit, Israel's largest healthcare provider, covering most of the population, compared the medical records of 200,000 vaccinated over-60s with the same number belonging to unvaccinated people.
For two weeks after the first dose, both groups tested positive for the virus at roughly the same rate.
But then those vaccinated started to show 33% fewer new infections than the others.
"This is very early protection," said Clalit chief innovation officer, Ran Balicher, who is also a public health professor advising the government.
And "already there is a 33% fall".
Infections continued to decline after that.
But there were too few for Prof Balicher to calculate by what percentage.
Same trend
The London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine's Prof Stephen Evans said: "It is not sensible to compare efficacy derived from an observational study of this type, which is subject to many biases, with the efficacy derived from randomised trials [such as those performed to test the vaccine in the first place]."
But the early evidence does follow roughly the same trend seen in Pfizer's clinical trials, which involved tens of thousands of people.
In those trials, the rate of new infections in the vaccinated and control groups also diverged after two weeks.
And that gap kept widening for more than 100 days after the first dose.
Severe Covid
Israel began vaccinating on 19 December, reaching 10% of its population by the end of 2020.
And now, about half a million of its nine million population have received two doses.
Prof Balicher suggests some impact on severe Covid illness across Israel could be expected to be seen later this week.
Less effective
Pfizer hopes two doses of the vaccine will give up to 95% protection.
But even a much less effective vaccine could make the difference between a survivable illness and a fatal one.
The annual flu vaccine is about 40-60% effective.
And it stops hundreds of thousands of people from dying every year.
Fatal disease
"Efficacy against detected Covid-19 may be less important... than efficacy against hospitalisation and death," Prof Evans said.
And more people were likely to be protected from a severity of illness requiring admission to hospital than infection rates alone suggested.
The Clalit data, for example, does not distinguish between mild or symptomless infections and more severe or even fatal disease.
The judgement made in the UK was more lives could be saved by giving a larger group one dose quicker than giving a smaller group the maximum protection conferred by two doses.
And Prof Evans said: "The reports that have come from Israel are insufficient to provide any evidence that the current UK policy in regard to delaying the second dose of vaccines is in any way incorrect."

And we will likely really never know the true data as to how effective it is or the serious side affects. Then there are the long term side affects, will they identified as being more Covid since they could occur many months down the road. We must remember that this is still an experimental vaccine.

https://principia-scientific.com/indias-miraculous-ivermectin-covid-treatment-is-only-3-per-person/ https://principia-scientific.com/indias-miraculous-ivermectin-covid-treatment-is-only-3-per-person/

[jazz]

Lets see, our most vulnerable citizens are not supposed to take the vaccine developed to primarily protect them? WTF?

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/covid-2021-03-01/card/YhgO3AlSTlJ3xlrMlcq4 Canada Told to Refrain Giving AstraZeneca Vaccine to People 65 and Over

[fjlip]

Oh back tracking again, it's NOT going to hurt you, just be LESS effective! Just like Pizer needs -80C and now in the fridge is okay. 90% with 2 shots 3 weeks apart, NOW 90% with one shot? OFFS!