More bad news for lentils and peas

[wmoebis]

Is aeration and/or desorption time required after the fumigation procedure with methyl bromide? How air tight are the sea cans?

India is asking for a procedure that is likely impossible under some of the weather conditions in Canada certain times of the year. How many times/years were exemptions granted? Price control......

From what I've read Methyl Bromide needs 50 - 80F to work and gasses off safely as soon as exposed to air.

Since most are harvested and binned at these temps and would be moved to export position why can't farmers apply when binning. Sign an affidavit that it was done and problem solved.

Likely some reason it doesn't work that way, likely that farmers can't be trusted!

[bucket]

Sorry I won't shut up.....why can't it be put in rail cars to the coast....that's a week sitting at the elevator and another week getting to port and then another week getting across the ocean....

[farmaholic]

You would likely need a license for "on farm fumigation".....to even buy the fumigant let alone use it. I have mine, kinda the same as a pesticide applicators license but specialized. I hope to never use it or as little as possibly possible!.

[farmaholic]

Bucket.... as wmoebis stated. ...temperature sensitive. Placards would be required to warn of fumigation in progress. Gas detection meters to measure concentration of gas if any remains if there is such a thing for methyl bromide. Insect activity drops below certain temperatures and affects fumigation efficacy.

[bucket]

Yeah I spoke too soon....it's quite a quandary. ....to me it makes the most sense to be done in India.


Unload the boat there into quarantine. ..fumigate it ....and send it on its way.....

[Quadtrack]

I don't know a bunch about MeBr other than it works quickly - something like 16 hrs and it kills all living pests within the soil it infiltrates. It was deemed ozone depleting back in 2005 so has been phased out by developed countries except a few specific emergency uses. There are no direct replacements although an aluminum compound could also work-takes longer.
The reality is that it doesn't need to be done to our pulse shipments. But India insists it does.
The exemptions for Canada have been issued by India covering 6 month periods, for the last ten years. Til now.
The pulse industry has been working with CFIA and PPQ in India to try and establish a permanent solution to this, for the last ten years. It just hasn't happened.
Not for lack of trying.

[hobbyfrmr]

1) the order expires March 31...
2) the price in india has puked...that's why they are in limbo...if the l/c is opened they lose. Hopefully you took 25% upfront before loading.

Agreed LW. A condition for sale is 25-40% non refundable downpayment. A person should also have a couple of other buyers from same country in their network. When a buyer decides not to accept your shipment landed on their soil, you keep the down payment and sell it to the "other guys" at the discount in which you already have as the deposit from the original buyer/rejector.

[farmaholic]

So if the nematode is only in the "earth pellets"(is that so?), wouldn't cleaning of bulk shipments dramatically reduce the chance of the nematodes being present. Pieces the same size and density might make the pellets hard to remove. Did someone say Canada doesn't even have the kind India is concerned about.

I'm not a seed processor, how much of a problem is earth pellets in cleaned peas and lentils?

[sumdumguy]

Vomitoxin used here now. Me thinx they have bought all the lentils that they need and are demanding fumigation because they can. Who does it affect? The big boys who value that market and those who have not delivered yet, but probably not too many outstanding contracts.

[Klause]

Agreed LW. A condition for sale is 25-40% non refundable downpayment. A person should also have a couple of other buyers from same country in their network. When a buyer decides not to accept your shipment landed on their soil, you keep the down payment and sell it to the "other guys" at the discount in which you already have as the deposit from the original buyer/rejector.

Yeah working on it... yes 1/3 paid for l/c for the rest problem isn't buyer so much as port authority