New shop ideas and tips

[blackpowder]

If my 2 cents are worth half that.
Dont forget the wifi!

[burnt]

Do you think this is better or worse advantage/disadvantage then the other way around, foam, cement foam, like a logix? People build entire houses, basement and upper floors this way. Also, no form required. The block is the form.

I wouldn't have any idea on that. I liked the idea of the insulation being completely protected since we certainly have rodents around from time to time.

Our sons seems to pump a lot of the foam block walls, especially for houses. And like you said, two storey houses are built this way.

I'm sure someone in the business could give an educated opinion though.

[tweety]

Do you think this is better or worse advantage/disadvantage then the other way around, foam, cement foam, like a logix? People build entire houses, basement and upper floors this way. Also, no form required. The block is the form.

[burnt]

What's a sandwich wall? Logix Blocks style?

A sandwich wall has SM board in the middle of a concrete wall, pouring concrete down both sides of the SM which is in the center of the forms. Our son runs a concrete pump and has lots of fun on those pours...

In our case, we poured an 8' high x 10" thick wall with 2" SM board (dense blue polystyrene) in the center. The SM board was 6' high, giving insulation 2' below grade. (We have 4' below grade and 4' above.)

By keeping the SM board 1" below the top of the wall, the insulation is fully protected from rodent or mechanical damage. I would likely pour a 10' wall next time (4' below for foundation and 6' wall above) so more of the shop wall is impervious to "bumps" that seem to be inevitable inside a workshop.

We have a 16' high 2"x8" stud wall sitting on that 4' concrete wall. We went with 2x8 on 24" centers instead of 2x6 on 16" and the building crew loved it, saved construction time and gave more space for fiberglass batt insulation. The builder also had another innovative idea in that he ripped 4x8 sheets of 1/2 inch plywood into 2x8 sheets and nailed them around the wall sections for a solid strip of plywood all the way around the top and bottom of the stud walls. This gives the building a lot more structural integrity. He then used 1x4 strapping over top of the plywood to keep the surface even with the 2x4 strapping on the rest of the wall.

I don't know if this is helpful or if I just muddied the waters more!?

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[seabass]

Agree with JD. Make the door entry 20 feet or more. 60 feet wide 100 plus long. Machines dont seem to get smaller.

[JDGreen]

JD, who supplied the insulation panels, any pics. Roughly how much per square foot. Got a quote on 2 inch spray in foam, $4.30 a square foot. Insulation is way more than steel and footing.

It is more cost efficient than having it sprayed and then lined. The actual building arrives next week so can take a pic then.. I don't know who actually manufactures them as I have this building contracted out to a commercial Robertson building contractor.

[tweety]

We went with concrete sandwich wall - very little cost differential over pole, if any, considering the benefits.

Oh the things you think of after the fact!

What's a sandwich wall? Logix Blocks style?

[biglentil]

JD, who supplied the insulation panels, any pics. Roughly how much per square foot. Got a quote on 2 inch spray in foam, $4.30 a square foot. Insulation is way more than steel and footing.

Ask 4 Aaron from Sprayguard in Regina he will come in under a buck a sq ft inch. Great guys and 2 inch will be the minimum they put in unlike some intallers will call it Avg 2 inch BS. What JD is doing is the ultimate but is in another stratosphere of cost when I priced it out years ago.

[RD414]

JD, who supplied the insulation panels, any pics. Roughly how much per square foot. Got a quote on 2 inch spray in foam, $4.30 a square foot. Insulation is way more than steel and footing.

[jamesb]

been thinking about that a lot , and not that much more $ , even our air drill will go in 17.5" . what have you noticed or advantages have you saw from 20' cieling ? our pole shed is 20'

I found with things like the combine when you put on some of these hopper toppers and such push up the height more than expected.