BinVigor?

[buckwheat]

Saskfarmer you have a lot of good points very good discussion from everyone. But back to the initial question try some for yourself you won't be disappointed.I was scared to try it but convinced myself to try it I am now going to seed alot more.

[timm]

Cervus Limited Partnership is Canada's Largest John Deere Dealer Group

* 11 Locations across Western Canada

* 2004 Revenue of $142 million

* 2004 Net income of $3.7 million

* Distributions of .08 per month per unit since January 2005
(05 profits up 33%-shares doubled in last 3 months on tse)this farming is really starting to piss me off as well.

[wedino]

Monsanto 1/3 litre is equal to clearout 1/2 litre. Now that monsanto has lowered their price, I expect Glyphos to come out at $4.00/ litre. IMHO

[ward.toma]

With regards to the comments about treating with Helix in the F2 trials: as it says in the presentation, all trials had the same treatments. This is not a realistic farm level comparison because, as you all know, availability of Helix is restricted and not generally available to farmers using farm saved seed. A true representation of what farmers are doing would have had a trial of helix treated certified versus farm saved with no treatment or another treatment that is available. But that would have skewed the results and made the data non-comparable.

Ward Toma
Alberta Canola Producers

[sawfly]

why would any self respecting farmer buy anthing other than the clear out 41 glyphosate.

the patent has been off for 15 years, and did monsanto or any other company compete price wise? Not on Your Life

So for 15 years we have paid more than double the price that would give a good rate of return for the companys produceing it.

lets take a 2500 acre No till farm
with burn off,Rdp canola and some fall in crop . would use 2500 liters product at least.

consider the $8 or $9 or $ 11 we paid in this peroid, with out any real competition.
with actual competition from FNA agri city drop the price to $4 wow!
2500 liters x $4.00 to 4.50 = 10,000$ a year , at least
thats 10,000 a year x 15 years = $150,000

thats more than my x wife cost me

and we wonder why were going broke .

How about a 150,000$ Rebate


Now if they meet or even undercut clearout . they don't deserve our business.

Remember Treflan and the generic trifluralex .
treflan was more money every year ,then the generic came in from isreal. droped the price and treflan followed.

farmers gradually drifted back to treflan . the generic dissapeared .
treflan has had a free ride ever since. From a low of 10$ acre then , to what $17 -20$ now.

I guess that where the saying Dumb Farmer comes from

[sawfly]

Saskfarmer,have you ever experienced damaging at sparaying on f2 plants?

[sawfly]

Saskfarmer,have you ever experienced damaging at sparaying on f2 plants?

[SASKFARMER]

We have been doing this for 4 years now and yes the chemical does kill the odd plant at spraying but this could be volentary roundup ready canola since we use to be big users of this product.
No visable damage to any of the plants that were actively growing.
like said before try some on own farm and then make decision on own.

[SASKFARMER]

I've tried it myself, and have found it to work well,but like I said earlier in the thread I'm young and can't afford mistakes. Some people say it makes a differnce from year to year on what f2 plants will do. Don't understand why it should matter from year to year. Saskfarmer you are right in saying try a plot yourself and see if you like it or not, I'm pretty sure most guys won't be dissapointed. For the guys reading these threads sitting on a bunch of money from the seventies yet, try it what do you have to lose.

[Private-i]

SASKFARMER, i have a problem with one of your statements earlier. I work for an independant chem retailer (agronomist) and i am wondering why you think we are out to screw you over. My job depends on your survival so while i try to make an honest dollar for the business i believe that i provide a service for that dollar and i am always trying to give the best recommendation possible keeping in mind your bottom line at all times as well. My recommendation on the binvigor issue is sure try some and see for yourself, we have a large grower near our retail location that has tried this for several years now and has seen mixed results. This last year he saw the best F2 results he has ever had but it still was 5.7 bushels less than his certified. Everything got the same with the exception of helix on his F2 because he could not get access to it. He regularly seeds at 3.3 pounds per acre so if you figure 5.50/lb for seed that is 18.15/acre whereas the diff. in yield using 4$/bu for canola is 22.8/acre. This grower in my opinion is one of the most forward thinking and smart farmers in the area. This being said i have heard reports from other growers in the area that their F2 is matching the yield of their certified invigor. I have also heard of growers citing differences in binvigor performance between 2663 and 5000 series, with the 2663 performing better. I farm with my father-in-law as well so i look at this from both sides, i don't think that your independant local retails are out to get you, they are trying to help you make decisions to maintain the viability of your farming operation.

p.s. -- my grower will once agin be trying binvigor this year and we will use a wiegh wagon to figure out the results again this year. As for Bayer turning away growers coming to buy Liberty that did not purchase certified seed IMHO it will never happen.