BinVigor?

[SASKFARMER]

Yea my rebate came in around 12000 on 2400 or more acres.
Still deduct it from cost.

Rebates are a joke of farming monsanto over charges for round up and then gives farmers a rebate most farmers think there doing ok.
Seed 1/2 1/2 and still get rebate etc.
just you save money not BAYER

[ward.toma]

The Alberta Canola Producers Commission (ACPC) does not recieve any funding from any private sector sources or government sources. Our funding comes from canola farmers. The Saskatchewan Canola Development Commission(SCDC)is funded the same way.

These two Commissions funded the f2 work referenced previously. The results will be posted at http://wwww.canola.ab.ca by Friday January 6, 2006.

[SASKFARMER]

Corrected well thats very fine but what I am saying they will come out with a study that shows that there is a huge yield difference from the hybrid varieties. That they have lower oil content, higher green count etc.

They will tell the world that what we are using is working and farmers dont try it will destroy your farm. (scare tactics work just look at the federal liberals)Most farmers will go and not try it for fear of failure and the seed companys will have susceeded again.

Truth based on 3000 acres a year for 4 years not a little plot in bug-tussel alberta. Also others in saskatchewan with higher acreages than mine.
Only problem it flowers longer than the hybrids, but your yield is in the bottom big pods and a decision on swathing.

Each farmer try a little test plot of their own and you be the judge.

[Ron]

I got a canola guide last week with results of binvigour 5070 (if I can remember, it already got filed with the christmas junk). It was 57 bu cert vs 50 bu common. approx 20% mortality at spraying. It didnt say if seeding rates were bumped up for binvigour or if seed treatment was used. 7 bu is approx 15%, it doesnt look to bad (how many times do you get 57 bu canola). This was south central AB I think.

[FarmRanger]

The reason that the farmer run canola commissions are running F2 trials is that they want good professional unbiased scientific data showing what results to expect from growing your own farmer saved seed.

The problem with farmer research is that it can be notoriously unprofessional, without proper controls, comparisons, and measurements. Not saying you haven’t looked into how to do proper on-farm research Saskfarmer, but for those who are considering it, make sure you do it right. Someone to ask for proper procedures would be Tom Goddard, Soil Conservation Specialist AAFRD who gave a presentation of New technologies for conducting farm trials at the SACA conference in Lethbridge. He gave out some handouts at the conference that might be helpful.
- Field Experimentation in Agriculture - available from AAFRD
- Another handout outlining 1. how to plan your testing 2. Site Considerations 3. Tools and technologies 4. Data collection and 5. Record keeping This handout also had Len Kryzanowski, Nutrient Management Specialist, AAFRD and Roger Andreiuk, RTL Agronomist, Reduced Tillage Linkages as authors.
- Also said to check out AGSTATS02 for an online and downloadable stats primer package and gave a website - http://pnwsteep.wsu.edu/ Click on the “on farm testing” Link

[FarmRanger]

That should read "The problem with ON-FARM research is that it can be notoriously unprofessional"

[SASKFARMER]

Un-profesional.
If you cant figure this out by now that I am a Ag grad from the UofM that works full time for Ag canada. and Farm a lot. I mean alot.
Not part time and is on canola commisions etc.
Real facts farmer try half a quarter and 1/2 buy seed. or 2.5 lbs bought and 2.5 lbs bin and see the difference for your self.
Why is is that every one who gets a degree goes away from the farm to work becomes such an expert in every thing but practices none of it day to day.
Simply Farmers try it your self if it works great if it doesnt it was a learing experiment.
But trust me it works.

[FarmRanger]

It depends how you seed the quarter, cutting a line down the middle of the quarter isn’t randomizing your trial. How many here have any piece of land that doesn’t vary from one side of a quarter to the other? Certainly not me. Being an “Ag graduate” you realize that the error goes up significantly when you don’t control for variability across a field. Measuring yield from one side the field and comparing it to the other does provide data. Is it useful for the guy down the road if it hasn’t been properly controlled for variability in the field, and proper controls and measurements haven’t been done and recorded?
Don’t’ get me wrong, I’m not saying that field scale research doesn’t work, I participated in some myself this year. Just make sure you find out how to it right, and record it properly so that others can trust and use it.

[JD4ME]

I have a lot more faith on research done by farmers than by the seed companies if I believed the seed companies are doing an honest job of reporting data how come every seed companies variety is always the "top performer" in their trials. I predict monsanto ins within a year or two of having a widescale revolt on its hands in that more and more farmers are secretly buying a little and planting a little home grown , the same is true of invigor and what many are doing there is blending as well.
What we are going to see from the seed boys is a real push for terminator technology and we as producers must be prepared for this.

[cheapskidoo]

I agree, have you guys seen the PVCT trials that were in the latest Canola Diges they are all over the board. They are showing that some of their checks with 46A65 are over 80 bushels/acre. If this is true some of the Invigors did close to a 100, give me a break! I think field scale trials are better and as long as they are on a half level piece of dirt and there is more than 1 trial. I did a trial with Bayer this past year so I know what went on because I set my drill,I combined it and I know the piece of land it was on. I would believe these books over those crappy little plots at least they are done by farmers.