BinVigor?

[SASKFARMER]

To the corn boy we arent talking corn were talking canola big difference big difference plant make up etc.
3000 acres a year for 6 years with positive results. Keep sticking with your chemical companys and see how long youll be farming

[silverback]

Saskfarmer, you are saying that LL canola will do almost as good in the first generation as the certified? Is that correct? Did you try some into the second generation??

[SASKFARMER]

Dont touch second generation!
Dont touch second generation!
All the talk is great but the big thing most farmers dont realize is fertility.
most over shoot one part and neglect the other then feel it was a great crop look throughout whole field. GPS yeild mapping and topographic map help see the results. Most farmers think their yield monitor in the combine is the gospel truth. well we had 92 wheat then "in places"
Study the real facts and one will see.

[WildTomato]

A study presented by Neil Harker this fall at the canola industry meeting tried to display which input was most important to canola yield. Everything from genetics to fertility, weed control, half rates, full rates of chem, fert, seed etc.

In a nutshell, every situation is different in terms of how canola responds to certain inputs. The one consistant result came from genetics. It compared open pollinated to hybrids and the hybrids came out on top.
The fertilizer did not have the same impact as the 110-40-0-20 blend yielded no better than the half rate of fertilizer. The nutrients in the soil were already fairly good, so the canola did not respond to the full rate of fertilizer. I believe the yields were in the high 60's. Canola's responsiveness to fertilizer has alot to do with what nutrients are in the soil already and the environmental conditions that follow. Yield response is a function of many things and not just one or two.

[SASKFARMER]

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla

Now that thats out of the way!
After 25 years of growing every variety etc trying every thing etc. I think I know what I am talking about yes every situation is different but one thing is constant There is really no big yield advantage from 30 years ago. So with all the BS one would have 100 Plus yields by now if all the experts talked about was true.
but really our yields have gained maybe a little but not to the degree the costs have increased and took profit out of Canola and left the farmer with nothing.
THats the point to all this Farmers who continue down the path of thinking there getting further ahead should do income tax and financial planning and see that Most farmers dont get the big yields they brag about and are loosing money hand over fist.
Now what I am trying to get across is that every thing the experts tell you isnt always TRUE!

[poorboy]

Saskfarmer,
I have cleaned lots of my own canola seed over the years and was very happy with the results. I think seed companies should go to jail for the amount of gouging that occured when herbicide tolerance came about. Open polinated canola was worth $2/lb and monsanto gave everyone the roundup gene for free and than the same variety with roundup ready trait cost $4-5/lb. Seed companies still had to do development and selection before and could do it for less than 1/2 of the cost.
Now that I am off my soap box, I am wondering what you are actually seeing for yield differences between certified Invigor and common seed replanted. You obviously have both as you need to source your common seed.
At $30/ac seed costs, you probably save about $22/ac which at $5 is 4.5 bushels/ac. You also save a lot of fincancial outlay if you get a drought/hail/fire, etc.

I think that most people have been told not to do it and are scared. Everyone should probably try 100 acres and see for themselves.

[WildTomato]

The number one most limiting factor to crop production is still rain! However, I would be interested to know what yield differences you've seen between the bin-run and new seed.

[SASKFARMER]

Lets look at the facts in Saskatchewan field of Dreams which has every nutrient every disease control every seed treatment etc. the top yeild over scale for field was just over 60 bushel an acre for liberty hybrid. THis is in the Kamsack area lots of rain and good soil. Agrologist on staff full time etc.
So farmers in Shithole canada that are saying that they are getting 60 bushel yeilds with their combines yield monitors I say Bull ----.
In comparison this is the third year of a full blown study on a bunch of farms in our area. Results show little to no yield advantage over the bin run.
On disease control a yield advantage of .75 bushels an acre to .5 with a net farm loss per acre of 10.75 (rain fall over 400MM)
Best advice is try 80 acres and compare do the same on both parcels and also have comparable land.
Pursuit works same. No yield disadvantage and probably the other variety would do the same.
Remember they took our cost from 1,86 a lb to 6.25 with little benefit to producer and we let them now its time to fight back or lose.
Also remember that the top 4 chemicals we use today have their patend run out next year or 2007 and they are scared shitless. Roundup extra in China can be made and delivered into western canada for 1.00 a liter you do the math on the skinning. Farmers who take advise from their local retailers and reps are getting skinned every day and as long as they let them get away with it, it will continue. Ever wonder why the local chem test plots look so good compared to your field (300 lbs plus of nitrogen in soil) but do they tell you this no.
have a good day!

[kent]

Saskfarmer. I have been reading your threads and I find it hard to believe that you have not imporved your yields in your Canola the last 10-15 years. Every farm has to justify thier input costs, but to believe that you can get the same yield out of a hybrid in year 2 is impossible. You may want to go take a genetics course to believe people when they say hybrids will not perform the same in the F2 generation. I think you will find youself in a minority of people who will cheap out and seed inferior varietys and seed treatments even in the low commodity prices we have.

[SASKFARMER]

Kent when you look at 10 to 15 years of history of canola you will see that the average yield has not changed much in 15 years. We live in real world of frost drought etc. not a lab.
Keep studying and one day when you grow up you will see that farmers are the real losers in all this.
The yield advantage is minimal thats the real facts.

NOT DONE IN THE CANOLA DOME LIKE KENT BELIEVES