Viagra Increasing prices on Friday!

[SASKFARMER3]

I don't see the bottom just yet. The time to lock in will come down to what happens in the next 4 months after Jan 1st.
Yes when they think were in profit territory their will be shortages, shut downs, train derailments, sick workers gas problems stomach and system, etc etc.
A thief is a thief and they know when to strike.
I call it like I see it, they ripped off millions of farmers for huge huge personal gain, now that the bottom has fallen out their eating their own their dealer network.
NICE GUYS HEY>

[BreadWinner]

Larry weber has started an interesting blog page http://fertilizerbuddy.blogspot.com
guys are posting prices in their area. I think this is a great idea to give a bit of leverage to your stubborn dealer. Check it out.

[gustgd]

46-0-0 blairs in liberty $445.00
delivered to yard
Pioneer Davidson 475.00 picked up in town
will cross post on www.fertilizerbuddy.blogspot.com

[fjlip]

Fertilizer price bottom will be just before farmers blink and buy. Input prices always lag grain prices because producers demand increases after greater profits and decreases after no profits. That demand happened to be a world wide phenomenon in 2007 & 2008. Our spike in grain prices was a world market as was the fertilizer, chemicals, oil, ocean freight and steel. Some was BS, what the market would bear. Just think, end users paid that much for commodities and now also feel like crap, if not bankrupt. It's the volatility that is hard to swallow. Hurts both sides. This is pure speculative "Capitalism" at it's finest. Do your best to cope because the alternative "isms" are worse. My dealer agrees, it is Agrium that is screwing them.

[SASKFARMER3]

That's what I am trying to get across its the Agriums that created this frenzy, boosted the Dealers Eggo then when the Crap hits the fence these guys take their ball and go home, shut down their plants and say to their own dealers sorry you bought at high prices have a great day.

[SASKFARMER3]

Only one thing Agrium is worried about and that is that you MR Farmer will not buy much before year end. Then if their isn't movement in the high priced stuff they will have to revert to shortages and scare tactics into March and April. Plant shut downs plant slow downs plant layoffs etc etc etc. They need sales for last and first quarter to be in line with expectations or their shares will tank. That is a worry to them.

[TOM4CWB]

SF3,

We can easily cut fertiliser... by 30 to 50%... and not skip a beat.

Brazil already did a 35% cut in the fert. used in crop just planted.... and it hardly dented production.

Agrium had better give their head a shake... and plant shutdowns... could well be needed... or they won't have a place to store it!

[SASKFARMER3]

Its a very simple process, We went from 100lbs gas to 60lbs.
When gas was .18 cents we used to put down 120lbs and guess what the yields last year were better than before (yes the genetics are better.
Most farmers over apply their fert, always have.
Good weed control, timing and a little luck make a crop.
Also we went to a split application, We use a blend with the seed then in mid June when the plant hits the gas around the time its heading and wola its on its way.
Listened to Weir in yorkton on cutting back its nice to see he now works for Viterra again and was telling us not to cut back, just don't seed as much ground.

[classicalliberal]

Sask farmer just like how selling $16 canola when you can produce it for $8 isn't a huge ripoff to all those at the other end. That is the exact same logic only shifted around to your perspective. Am I right in thinking that you believe that it is bad if everyone else makes a huge profit, which may not be true, that it is bad but it is ok for you to get a 40 to 50% return on investment on canola as an example?

[classicalliberal]

That is why variable rate fertilization is such a great thing because it cuts down on the over fertilization. What the fertilizer companies are doing is cutting production, one reason is that they have too much unmoved product from the fall that they would typically move but late harvest in the US and Canada and collapsing grain prices put that to a standstill. They are doing what anyone would do when the prices are too low is cut production. That is what we do when the prices are too low, we don't grow that particular crop which is the same as cutting production on their end. The difference is that our cycle is a year and their cycle is a lot less. It would be nice to have two crops per year like the South Americans have.