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    Diesel Exhaust Fluid

    The EPA is trying to make DEF more user friendly for truckers and farmers by extending the time period before de-rate and shutdown occurs. They're asking engine manufacturers for warranty and failure data related to both those conditions. They're also pushing towards the owner's "right to repair", by allowing owners access to specific tools and software.

    DEF definitely seems to clean up exhaust emissions and pollution but it shouldn't be at a cost to owners that makes them want to delete the entire system over repairing it. We have very little trouble with it in some equipment. In equipment that doesn't get used in the winter, we drain the DEF tanks to prevent damage to the components inside the tank from the DEF freezing and turning into a block of ice. We had a 3/4 ton truck that encountered the same problem twice(once on warranty and once off), needless to say the DEF system WAS deleted, now it's a stinky diesel. In my opinion, the EPA needs to address the COST OF REPAIRS to keep people from WANTING TO DELETE the system entirely. Freezing temperatures are not friendly to DEF systems. Why hasn't there been a DEF developed that won't freeze?

    Developing a DEF that wouldn't freeze, allowing owners access to software and diagnostic tools, extending de-rate and complete shutdown times, and REDUCING THE COST of repairs would go a long way to improving the DEF emissions and pollution system's reputation and the publics acceptance of the technology.

    #2
    Are emergency vehicles like ambulances, law enforcement and fire trucks exempt?

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      #3
      Originally posted by farmaholic View Post
      Are emergency vehicles like ambulances, law enforcement and fire trucks exempt?
      Not sure about that but as I understand it military equipment and vehicles are exempt.

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        #4
        It worked until you get 3 or more mornings of -25 then system shutdown. Then $500 service call to try to get things going and maybe 2nd trip by service to find laptop that would talk to tractor . Meanwhile cows still hungry and chores not done yet and at that point I didn't seem to care about environment . Newer tractor burned less fuel than one that it replaced to begin with but having service truck on road all day fixing def problems in tractors kinda defeated purpose.

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          #5
          Anything that runs in winter delete it.

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            #6
            How productive is equipment parked waiting for a service truck? Equipment manufacturers don't put that in their ads about productivity.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Grain Farmer View Post
              Anything that runs in winter delete it.
              or idles a lot. Loading semis in the cold, is no good. some days a truck runs all day without leaving the yard. 8 hours of slobbering cold exhaust into a DPF. Similar to a chore tractor

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                #8
                It always felt like something pushed out before it was made reliable just to meet a standard. Which cost all industries huge.
                It has to work. Often it was just a big expense. Unless it was summer only, full load.
                Last time I drained a tank it cost $200 to shut off a code lol.
                Can you imagine all the repair dollars spent in NA since inception? Total loss to the economy. Broke many a trucker. Junk tech. Not to mention arctic issues.
                Thankfully our southern cousins have a great lobby system and a useful Senate.
                I'm not for pollution or waste. But poor tech is incredibly wasteful.

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                  #9
                  DEF was about Nox, the DPF is about the particulates

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