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  • Sodbuster
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 1133

    Originally posted by bucket View Post
    Canada should be self sufficient in fertilizer and fuel . But no one wants to build here do to the current regulations. Has nothing to do with trump. This is all just " because they can" . Whether is it is FCL ( coop ) or Nutrien, or Mosaic using excuses of the straight of Hormus or the Ukraine money laundering.
    You’re absolutely right that we should be be self sufficient in energy and fertilizer, with all the money we throw away to other countries we should be investing in refineries and fertilizer plants even if we have to subsidize to get it going.

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    • foragefarmer
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2014
      • 3505

      Originally posted by bucket View Post
      Canada should be self sufficient in fertilizer and fuel . But no one wants to build here do to the current regulations. Has nothing to do with trump. This is all just " because they can" . Whether is it is FCL ( coop ) or Nutrien, or Mosaic using excuses of the straight of Hormus or the Ukraine money laundering.

      Sortof tired of hearing it is Trump's fault when we have the ability to build here and avoid gouging that happens when ever an excuse comes along.

      Maybe the regulations about collusion should be brought back. At least the Trump administration have said they are looking into it.

      I might be reading you wrong, but are you suggesting a two tiered pricing system for Fert and Fuel produced in Canada, a Canadian price for Canadian farmers and a world price for export?

      Since Feb,28/2026 Fert and Fuel prices are up in the range of 40-60%, I didn't realize Ukraine bombed Iran.

      I like how you mentioned Trump and collusion in two seperate sentences. Read :

      Betting on War: Mysterious Traders Make Millions on Well-Timed Bets Tied to Trump’s War on Iran

      Who did you think is profiting off of that?

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      • bucket
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 17033

        Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post


        I might be reading you wrong, but are you suggesting a two tiered pricing system for Fert and Fuel produced in Canada, a Canadian price for Canadian farmers and a world price for export?

        Since Feb,28/2026 Fert and Fuel prices are up in the range of 40-60%, I didn't realize Ukraine bombed Iran.

        I like how you mentioned Trump and collusion in two seperate sentences. Read :

        Betting on War: Mysterious Traders Make Millions on Well-Timed Bets Tied to Trump’s War on Iran

        Who did you think is profiting off of that?
        If Canada was using the resources we have , Iran's power on fertilizer could be mitigated, which would lower fertilizer prices. Same with fuel.

        I think Saudi Arabia has a lower domestic fuel price.

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        • shtferbrains
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2017
          • 5266

          Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post
          Since Feb,28/2026 Fert and Fuel prices are up in the range of 40-60%, I didn't realize Ukraine bombed Iran[/B]

          Who did you think is profiting off of that?
          There are still 2 wars that include much the same supply reductions?
          Ukraine has been bombing Putin's O&G production and tankers?
          Russia is the worlds largest fertilizer exporter. Ukraine is also a large producer.
          Yuzhny (Black Sea) was a benchmark for ammonia pricing but the NH3 pipeline and infrastructure was damaged in 2022. That alone was 2.5 mil T.
          I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but seems to be conveniently ignored?

          IMHO the fertilizer market, and most inputs, in western Canada and NA, operates as an oligopoly.
          Defined as a few large firms that control most of the market, allowing them to influence prices and supply.
          Not news to anyone.

          When there are geopolitical situations like Russian tariffs and Iran it shift all the power to a small group.
          We get sucked up in it and ask for more restrictions that eliminate any small competitors that need alternate supply.



          Last edited by shtferbrains; May 4, 2026, 10:30.

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          • foragefarmer
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2014
            • 3505

            Originally posted by bucket View Post

            If Canada was using the resources we have , Iran's power on fertilizer could be mitigated, which would lower fertilizer prices. Same with fuel.

            I think Saudi Arabia has a lower domestic fuel price.
            What's causing USA fuel prices to increase by 40% since the Trump's failed bombing mission on Iran?

            The USA has plenty of it's own oil, and only imports from Canada because of their refineries, no Middle East oil required, so why would the global price surge have an effect on the USA pump prices.

            Why isn't there price mitgation for the USA citizens?

            Eating Crow would be tough on a few Agriville's this late in the game, so let's blame it on Ukraine and Canada rather than Putin and Trump.
            Last edited by foragefarmer; May 4, 2026, 10:05.

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            • ColevilleH2S
              Senior Member
              • May 2007
              • 1651

              Originally posted by Grain Farmer View Post
              Compare.
              Looks like a rage-bait post. The Canadian locations are listed in CAD/gallon. Not a straight forward comparison at all. The Calgary price in USD/gal is $4.92. I wonder if this was done on purpose, or just a lasy mistake?

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              • ColevilleH2S
                Senior Member
                • May 2007
                • 1651

                Oh sh*t, I missed making a dig at his name.

                Peter Wong? More like Peter Wrong. Ba dump bump

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                • shtferbrains
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2017
                  • 5266

                  So at $4.92 Calgary is a little cheaper than California?
                  It's all good then?

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                  • Hamloc
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 3973

                    Originally posted by foragefarmer View Post

                    What's causing USA fuel prices to increase by 40% since the Trump's failed bombing mission on Iran?

                    The USA has plenty of it's own oil, and only imports from Canada because of their refineries, no Middle East oil required, so why would the global price surge have an effect on the USA pump prices.

                    Why isn't there price mitgation for the USA citizens?

                    Eating Crow would be tough on a few Agriville's this late in the game, so let's blame it on Ukraine and Canada rather than Putin and Trump.
                    I think there is no doubt that Trump didn’t look past about day 3 or 4 of his invasion. He is attempting to find an exit strategy in which this doesn’t look like a total failure.

                    Quote from a CBC article on the latest fiscal update: “Surging oil prices are one of the factors that led to a better-than-expected fiscal update from the federal government on Tuesday.”

                    So mixed results. For the average farmer and average consumer the extreme rise in fuel prices is going to hurt.

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