New cattle procedures?

[bucket]

Reading about these new procedure in the cattle industry.

Makes me wonder what the cattle reps do on national scale.

They are supposed to meet with politicians and bureaucrats so how does this get announced and then a big outcry from representing groups?

Something is off .

OR some people are asleep at the wheel. And don't say ranchers have to get involved. That's what their checkoff money is for. Otherwise quit taking it and using it for parties.

[ColevilleH2S]

Judging by what my cowpoke neighbor said about this new proposal yesterday it's going to go over like a lead balloon. Man, did I get an earful!

[Blaithin]

I do feel like I seen the new regs mentioned sometime last year so they’re not a total surprise.

That said, if such things are supposed to be immediately implemented then somebody shit the bed. Yeah we’ve been using rfid tags for years and yeah, you can log in to the website and record whatever info you want, but I don’t know many/anyone that does.

So the expectation is that everyone has a scanner and scans animals any time they handle them and then imports that into spread sheets? And it will be a simple next step to upload those spread sheets to the website?

Most cow calf guys aren’t going to be doing that on even a small level. So they think these farms can go from 0 to 100 in a couple of weeks?

The regulations themselves are extremely debatable in necessity, the idea that farms can just immediately follow them is ludicrous. Other procedural changes had soft start implementations.

Eg) Use pain management when castrating calves over 9 months, the next year you needed to use pain management in calves over 6 months.

Why something as basic as that was allowed a grace period and something as intensive as the new regulations are, don’t, seems bizarre to me. Have open houses to discuss it with producers, to show what the expectation really is, to show them how this info needs to be collected, stored and shared. How long do the records need kept, in what format, etc.

It can’t just be a “you need to do this by the end of the month”. That’s unrealistic.

[shtferbrains]

There is suppose to be some kind of economic benefit?
All it is is more layers of regulatory and extra work and record keeping for producers.
Largely driven by concerns that direct to consumer beef sales go unreported for all levels of taxation.
Packers will be wanting that hole plugged telling government it's unfair competition.
Government wants inventory numbers they can audit.

Ranchers are getting older and help is almost impossible to hire.
Mostly families sharing work for processing maybe twice a yr.
If you can't move an animal without a RFID tag it makes that a lot more complicated.
The regulations say you can't bring home an animal from remote pastures if any have lost a tag.

They say they want herd expansion.
This will result in more liquidation.
Not worth the trouble.

[bucket]

We have to have CCIA tags to sell our calves and cows at market.

probably 90% of our calves end up slaughtered within a year.

Yet with all the money for tags and other stuff those tags don't get deleted off the database when they get slaughtered. Not sure it is currently a functioning system.

Those calve could be scanned at auction, then the feedlot th , and the new owner now owns the tag and the data base updated accordingly . Then the tag is deleted when slaughtered or inspection of carcass..

Instead there is no data from how your calves finished or where they went - in the case that heifers ended up on another farm.

Yet they want more work for ranchers???

They still charge for brand inspection which is something that doesn't fall off . Weird hey?

[Blaithin]

So I just found this one dealing specifically with cattle.

I have to say, based on this, people are freaking out over not much.

Alberta already requires PID numbers so no producer in Alberta is going to need to do anything regarding the first proposed change.

Second proposed change isn’t a biggy for new arrivals, makes sense. Second part seems to pretty much exclusively apply to community pastures or some other mixed herd scenario. Semantics could say if you’re using rental property it may need reported. I’d also want clarification on what the “same farm” constitutes. PIDs cover the homesite, not remote pastures, so are owned, remote pastures still the “same farm” or is this a whole quagmire or registering PIDs for different pastures and fields?

The carcass disposal… probably the only time I’ve followed that is when I want the BSE money and have the vet out Lol

So while clarification is needed on a couple of areas it doesn’t seem to really be a big change for most producers - If the “same farm” constitutes all remote pastures.


[url]https://inspection.canada.ca/sites/default/files/legacy/DAM/DAM-aboutcfia-sujetacia/STAGING/text-texte/owners_guide_cattle_1678980781033_eng.pdf[/url]

[Blaithin]

We have to have CCIA tags to sell our calves and cows at market.

probably 90% of our calves end up slaughtered within a year.

Yet with all the money for tags and other stuff those tags don't get deleted off the database when they get slaughtered. Not sure it is currently a functioning system.

Those calve could be scanned at auction, then the feedlot th , and the new owner now owns the tag and the data base updated accordingly . Then the tag is deleted when slaughtered or inspection of carcass..

Instead there is no data from how your calves finished or where they went - in the case that heifers ended up on another farm.

Yet they want more work for ranchers???

They still charge for brand inspection which is something that doesn't fall off . Weird hey?

It’s been a while since I looked up an animal I sold but it always said they were gone and the tag was done.

[bucket]

So I just found this one dealing specifically with cattle.

I have to say, based on this, people are freaking out over not much.

Alberta already requires PID numbers so no producer in Alberta is going to need to do anything regarding the first proposed change.

Second proposed change isn’t a biggy for new arrivals, makes sense. Second part seems to pretty much exclusively apply to community pastures or some other mixed herd scenario. Semantics could say if you’re using rental property it may need reported. I’d also want clarification on what the “same farm” constitutes. PIDs cover the homesite, not remote pastures, so are owned, remote pastures still the “same farm” or is this a whole quagmire or registering PIDs for different pastures and fields?

The carcass disposal… probably the only time I’ve followed that is when I want the BSE money and have the vet out Lol

So while clarification is needed on a couple of areas it doesn’t seem to really be a big change for most producers.


[url]https://inspection.canada.ca/sites/default/files/legacy/DAM/DAM-aboutcfia-sujetacia/STAGING/text-texte/owners_guide_cattle_1678980781033_eng.pdf[/url]

Then why waste producers time and bureaucratic nonsense.

Disposal of a carcass is two days on this farm by just feeding coyotes. Not digging holes in winter.

This just highlights that either the cattleman's reps are not reaching the bureaucrats or politicians that want to implement it . It makes me wonder where the checkoff money goes.

Now if they came up with something like

1. Rancher buys CCIA tag
2. Rancher sells cows at auction
3. CCIA tag is now under new owner ( probably feedlot )
4. Animal is slaughtered & tag number deleted

This could all be done with CCIA tag readers and downloaded into the delete file after being killed.

for half the herd ( steers ) you would think it would work effectively.

Instead there is a database of years of tags for no good reason if you are birth dating your calves under that system.

[Blaithin]

Now if they came up with something like

1. Rancher buys CCIA tag
2. Rancher sells cows at auction
3. CCIA tag is now under new owner ( probably feedlot )
4. Animal is slaughtered & tag number deleted

That is what’s done…

I’ll have to remember to log in to the website when I’m at home and look up some animals.

[Blaithin]

There will be a transition period as whatever is finalized gets implemented.