epic rant

[wrongway]

sounds like someone on here...

(2) Kotylak on X: "Shit is getting real https://t.co/NXslGFwySB" / X ([url]https://x.com/Kotyjo/status/1964783288884875753)?[/url]

[blackpowder]

Well you can always shut it off.

I know a guy owns a govt lobby firm.
Agriculture west of Ontario doesn't really exist in Ottawa. Kotylak isn't wrong, but we do nothing to help ourselves.

[goalieguy847]

That guy is embarassing.

My grandmother was an english teacher..and she always told me that swearing is when your brain cant think of a proper adjective. And its lazy.

I get the rant. I get the anger.
But for the love of god...
Who here believes that this chinese tariff was in response to our EV tariff.


Youd have to be pretty thick skulled to still believe that.

And blaming chinese tariffs on our liberal govt is shortsighted at best. They tariffed us when harper was in power.
If you want to, go ahead.. but you fail to remember that every politician * regardless of party* backed the EV tariff. Even yesterday pierre pp said he wouldnt lift the tariffs if in power.

So that epic rant should include a whole bunch more swearing at the conservatives as well.... and scott moe... and danielle smith. Not a single person in power has come out IN FAVOUR of lifting the tariffs on china because they understand that china does china. They will tariff us again. In 2 yrs.

And at this point.. we cant all be surprised. China said they were doing an investigation that would take a yr.. with a possible extension of 6 months ( which was just extended by 6 on sept 5th.) Dropping a tariff pre harvest season shouldnt have been...unpredictable.

WheN we entered seeding season... we had very strong canola fall prices... 52 week highs. Strong enough to make most of us grow canola.... was nobody wise enough to remember the last 3 times that china pulled something and drove our price down? Maybe booked some canola off combine?
i did. Great values. Off combine.
nobody forced any of us to grow canola. Our decision. Our hindsight. Our foresight.

And to be honest. I am fine at 13.50 canola. Still making a buck. If you have to pencil in 50 bushel canola and 15$/ ac.. then you may have an expenditure problem somewhere.




plus. To be blunt.

Posting a rant and rave infront of a million dollar sprayer in a pretty solid looking canola crop is.... obtuse at best.

Read the room.

Whoever kotylak is... sounds like a whiny american farmer looking for a handout...* checks notes* actually, a BIGGER handout because of the guy THEY voted in crusssshinnngggg their markets with tariffs and export controls.

So what % of net revenue do ad hoc payments make up in the usa. 15? 10?

We dont need that. Nobody wants that.
i dont need a govt handout to my farm and neither does a guy with a sprayer like that in a crop like that.

if you cant handle the heat.. get out of the kitchen.

Or. Just stop growing canola and whining about it like a child.

explain to me how lifting the EV tariff does anything except show china that we will bend to their market horse- phooey... OR that lifting it would even RAISE grain values.
can anyone circle that square for me?

Didnt think so.

And further more.. in my non- swearing epic rant..
one of the BIGGEST problems that canadian grain farms face is data collection.

A purduEe survey in 2024 showed that only 7% of farmers weren't using some form of data collection. Thats 7% WERE NOT. 58% of those said they were using a cloud based system.. which means. Data, cloud, collection...for. sale.

Climate fieldview. Case AFS connect. JD LINK.


Who here believes that this data isnt sold to
saudis ( g3)
bunge/ viterra
Richardson
etc etc.

They know EXACTLY what comes off your fields when you are collecting that harvest data ( like it really matters) and beaming it to the sky.... and you know who utilizes the cloud operations the MOST? The big operators.

Ask a climate fieldview rep if the harvest data is sold to the grain companies. Watch them stutter.


At some point..when canola was 18...20..22 $/ ac... and equipment was jumping 20% per year and TRADE INS were getting even money... rents were skyrocketing...land values pumping higher... were questions not asked of what wil happen on the downslope side of this ride...or did we not believe it would come down?


Even the slowest of prognosticators could see a reckoning coming. And guess what. Its here. And we DID IT TO OURSELVES.

That 1 million dollar sprayer. with the EXACT SAME BOOM AND TANK SIZE AS PREVIOUS SPRAYER ( unless its stretched) covers the EXACT SAME acres per hour at 14 mph....
and it needs to be filled up after the same acres. Nobody forced so many of us to spend those dollars on overpriced and oversized equipment. Or take out more land loans and equipment loans at near historic low interest rates!

But. Here we are.

Now please.... help us govt!
Help us!
Free money.
Free tax payer money!
i promise that i need it! I promise it will be spent on only the things i really truly need to survive!!


And NOT on more million dollar sprayerz.


What? No free money in the form of adhoc payments? Well eff you then. And eff the taxpayers of this country that didnt vote for pierre ( who incidentally has said .. very.. very..very little regarding canadian canola or ever tabled a legit plan as to what to do with china)


(as i head out with my 5000 hr 4830 that covers 14 k acres per yr after multiple passes and has done so since 2011 which was bought for 267 k and paid off in 2015)


* shakes head*

whoever kotylak is.. just because hes saying it with vim and vigor..doesnt make it right.

It might be the sentiment of the hour... but it doesn't......

Make. ......
It....

Right.



Getting tired of grown ass men whining. Your whining wont make a difference. Go run for politics. G

[blackpowder]

Both you and Kotylak preaching to the choir here. Different sermons.
I always tell people I'm a p--- poor farmer 'cause I don't bitch, however I can get emotional.
Now could everyone in the congregation set our pride aside and agree on paying for an effective government lobbying arm?
How many dollars an acre would you pay? I'd pay a lot based on results. We're all tired of being pawns and treated like mushrooms.Current Western agriculture groups are it would seem, mushroom soil.....

[sumdumguy]

US is largest buyer of our Canola, China next best buyer, so I’ve read. We have crapped the bed with both of them.

[farmaholic]

US is largest buyer of our Canola, China next best buyer, so I’ve read. We have crapped the bed with both of them.

.....it's like having someone else shit the bed you sleep in.

[furrowtickler]

Goalie guy
sorry the Chinese canola tariff was a direct result of Canadas EV tariff
Does China play games , yes , always have . It’s all leverage on a big scale
But ……. Canada gave China the perfect opportunity to slam canola and drive $1 or more out of the market for a pathetic reason … protecting an eastern Canadian EV industry that’s nearly non existent and failing if you look at the white elephant of a battery plant , which some of us called from day one to be a failure.

[furrowtickler]

When canola hit $20 that was a direct result of a severe drought , no one ever thought it was going to stay .
Not only that most farmers had little or none to sell at those high values in many parts of western Canada , why , cause there was a drought ……
Then on top of that , many had pre sold at decent values , as you did say so you self this year , only to get almost no crop and had to buy out those said contracts at the higher $20 range .
you obviously never been on that side , so clearly have a much different approach
most here are still extremely gun shy from what happened to them pre selling much.
We were within 2 miles of being completely wiped out from that hailstorm , some here are .
Would be not much fun buying out canola contracts after getting wiped out .
Canola here is $12.60
on good average yeilds , ya that’s livable, barely. Many north of here have well below average canola yields , heating 15-20 bus/ac
and that is typically 50 bus/ac average area, and it’s a huge area
20 -30 bus at sub $13 is brutal
20 -30 bus at $15 , where it should be, is why the angst from many
regardless, poor liberal government policy has cost western Canadian farmers money not only in the canola market but pulse crops as well , actually even more so .

[bucket]

This years canola issues highlights the trickle down analogy. Every commodity has been hit hard due to that event. Sure it's the Chinese marketing strategy but the government didn't help by protecting a unicorn industry like EVs.

What has come out of this is green lentil buyers wanting to renegotiate their contracts while only a few short months ago they had a guy strung up for using the thumbs up to a contract.

Here they have actual signed contracts by both the buyer and farmer and the buyer wants to reneg on the contract. Also slow deliveries on those high priced contracts.

And while farm group directors were the largest voices because they had been caught short , they have done nothing to equalize the system since, in these types of events.

The farm groups that take money off every one of my cheques need a wholesale change. From the executive directors to the people in communications etc. They are not getting anything done effectively for farmers.

[cropgrower]

Goalie not every farmer is happy not having a taxable income like you told us you don't have