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    Electrical, the greatest challenge in diagnosing equipment problems.

    A little over a month ago we updated our sprayer. We bought a used 4440 Case ih. I knew the previous owners very well and even though it had 2000 hours on it, it looked very clean.

    Long story short, I filled the tank with fungicide and headed out. Ended up under applying by roughly 12 percent. I was very baffled. So the dealer sent out a tech and installed a new flow meter. Set the meter cal number in both monitors, headed out with another tank full. Halfway through the tank I could see it was still under applying. So I upped the rate. I decided to call the previous owners. Turns out for the last 2 years he had it, same problem under application. He also replaced the flow meter and it didn’t fix it. The dealers tech guy suggested increasing the meter cal number. So I did subsequent loads increasing the cal number. Finally at 1480 it began to over apply. I thought ahh, maybe we are getting there. Then as I was doing one of my last jobs, I folded up the booms and hopped out to add some wild oat spray to do the last job. Hopped back in and the pump wouldn’t run. Wtf? So I head home to try and figure this out. I put the booms out and down to check the wiring, voila, the pump runs! Hmm, so I lift the main carrier up and down, pump would quit at exactly halfway every time. So I call the dealer, they send out a tech. He looks at the wiring, no visible issues. There are 5 wiring harnesses from the boom to the sprayer. He starts flexing each one with the pump turned on. Well what do you know flexing the one group of wires would turn the pump on and off. We cut off the protective covering(which looked perfect), inside he discovered 5 wires that were kinked and you could stretch them easily because the wire inside was broke. They were obviously kinked during manufacture. Everything works fine now but I haven’t field tested it yet as I have had nothing to spray. The crazy part is if the pump hadn’t quit when the boom was raised the problem with application would still exist. One of the wires was hooked to the pressure sensor, not sure what the other 4 did. It amazes though how one or two wires or a sensor can stop todays equipment in its tracks.

    #2
    Good diagnostic systems, monitors, and fault code recording should have identified and recorded the sensor and other errors.

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      #3
      I have an 06 3310 and have had an intermittent problem like that with the Aim command pump pressure controller. Been doing that for 5 years now. Pump just quits. I then go old school and plug the pump into power manually and control pressure with the throttle. Between that and Aim command pulsing the application rate is in the ballpark. I have wiggled the many harnesses and sometimes that gets it to work and other times no dice. RME techs here don't know the sprayers anyways and don't want to service an older machine. Still the same tech as a new one but they do not admit that. So we are on our own.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Rareearth View Post
        Good diagnostic systems, monitors, and fault code recording should have identified and recorded the sensor and other errors.
        I'd say you had better LUCK than the previous owner?

        The luck included getting the guy who fixed it.

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          #5
          Those wires are small and will fail in fold areas. Can't wait till ours gets older.
          Previous owner had a lightning strike on ours.

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            #6
            I have a 3330 and it went all crazy with rate one time. I couldn’t find a problem so called the Readhead dealer and they sent out their older tech.
            He told me most problems are in the main harness that goes up and down with the center carriage. He hunted down a broken wire in the harness with an ohms meter. It took some time but he was successful. The bad wire showed no sign of damage of any kind.
            The wires used are so thin and light I am not surprised they cause problems.

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              #7
              Originally posted by seldomseen View Post
              they sent out their older tech.
              AKA The Wizard?

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                #8
                We have found issues by starting to look where the harness was zip tied to the frame. Most of those zip ties are done up too tight and cause issues over time.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by shtferbrains View Post

                  AKA The Wizard?
                  The one and only Allan!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rareearth View Post
                    Good diagnostic systems, monitors, and fault code recording should have identified and recorded the sensor and other errors.
                    I did go into the computer and looked at the recorded faults, nothing that pointed us in the right direction. I did ask the tech if their were areas in the computer he could access that I could not. He said nothing significant on the sprayer.

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