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[kamichel]

In the Thirties the CWB was formed because the open market price of wheat was very low. The CWB was formed and offered 80 cents per bushel minimum to the farmer. Everyone gave their grain to the CWB. The federal government made up the difference at the end of the year. The next year the open market price was higher than the CWB min. price so all farmers gave their grain to the open market. The next year the CWB min. price was higher than the open market could give so all the farmers gave their grain to the CWB. Costed the federal government huge amounts of money. Went back and forth that way untill sometime in the mid 40's. The CWB had been granted a monopoly. Through the CWB western farmers had got huge amounts of money flowing from Ottawa as high as 61 million dollar in one year, in them days was quite a bit of money.
I just don't think all the credit should be given to the CWB , it was Ottawa money that covered their asses every year. Yes there was a time that the open market value of grain was very low. If the value is low it is low. It is not in the big grain company's best interest to run farmers out of business.

[Burbert]

Chaffmeister, You have no vested interest whatsoever in the grain industry! You are here trying to help us, cause you have lots of time on your hands! RETIRRED.
Well howdiedo, and all this time, I thought your were trying to help us poor dim wit, pinko leaning, dirt gubbing, chieslers, trying to make a living within a civilized system. Thankyou for your concern. Guess you don't even get a vote in the upcoming Pleb, what a shame.... Guess that makes us a bit different though cause I have a vested interest in what happens.

[silverback]

Then quit your bitchin and just mark the ballot the way you want.

You want the gov't to keep things the way they are, vote #1.

By the way, what is "civilized" about forcing your neighbors to ship their product with yours?

[parsley]

I agree. If you want more of the same Vote for #1.

[chaffmeister]

Burbert:
Here we go again.

You truly are a conundrum. You insult those on Agriville that have a different view of things because they might be “farmers for justice hiding and pretending to be legit, representing us little farmers. They are brokers and clip board buyers that want our grain cheap, basically chislers.” Basically, if they have a different opinion than you and they have a vested interest, you don’t trust their motives.

I explain that I am none of these characters you don’t trust and that by not having a vested interest I am not trying to “pad my own nest”.

First you insulted me because you thought I had a vested interest; now I’m being insulted because I DON’T. There’s no way I can “win” unless I agree with you. It crystal clear why the pro-choice camp argues on the grounds of personal freedom. It’s because people like you tell them what they MUST do but provide no logic or reason to support your “directive”. I believe most people are reasonable; if they’re told that an idea is a good idea and get a good explanation for it, they’ll consider it. If they don’t get the explanation and feel like its being thrust upon them against their better judgment, they will push back and say “thanks, but no thanks”. At an extreme, if they can’t say no (because this great idea is mandatory), but still get no evidence to explain why it’s a good thing, they rebel.

The pro-choice camp keeps explaining why choice will work and why the CWB in its current form doesn’t. They use personal experience, evidence and logic.

The pro-CWB camp has never explained why the CWB is the best route. (Faulty studies and the NFU or CWB throwing bogus numbers do not help in the least.) They simply attack those that disagree with them. Frankly, this is not a good way to convince others.

Burbert, you can throw insults at me all you like, and you can try to minimize my input. But you will never change the fact that the CWB is costing you money, lots of money. You can remain blind to it if you like, but keeping your blinders on will not keep others out there from seeing what is really happening.

I’m sure you know the saying, “lead, follow or get out of the way”. Well, you’re clearly not leading, and from what you say I’m certain you won’t follow, so that just leaves one option for you.

Here are a few other quotes that seem to apply here:

"Men's minds are too ready to excuse guilt in themselves."
— Titus Livius, Roman historian and philosopher (59 BC-AD 17)

“Liberty means responsibility. That’s why most men dread it.”
— George Bernard Shaw, Anglo-Irish dramatist and wit (1856-1950)

"Life is not so short but that there is always time enough for courtesy."
— Ralph Waldo Emerson, American essayist, public philosopher and poet (1803-1882)

"When a man is wrong and won’t admit it, he always gets angry."
— Thomas Haliburton, Canadian writer (1796-1865)

“Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great.”
— Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens), American humorist, author and journalist (1835-1910)

[cottonpicken]

Somebody give chaff his ball back its time for him to go home to his mommy.

[cottonpicken]

Chaffmeister, don't worry about CP,and Burbert I realized a long time ago they just blow smoke.

As for your quotes I agree especially to the one about “lead, follow or get out of the way”. Give it time when this all blows over, say 10 years from now. These fools will be following, and that's why those of us that lead will always be one step ahead of these guys.

[charliep]

Sometimes this site reminds me of a hockey game.

Some people enjoy the skill of the game - the quick pass, the deek, well planned execution of a score, etc.

Some people enjoy the fights more than the game. The purpose of hockey is to throw off your gloves and try to knock the other guys head off. Skillfull hockey play just gets in the way of a blood sport.

If I remember right, there was a promoter who got rid of the hockey element altogether and just had guys duking it out on the ice.

As wd9 said in another thread, there are so many issues/decisions that need to be made over and above the CWB in the Agriculural industry. From the CWB policy standpoint, there is only one question that is important now - how will I vote in the plebescite.

Cottonpicken - you have highlighted the number of reasons to be optimistic in previous threads. I find it strange than sometimes you are a raging bull (capitalist in every sense of the word) and yet on the CWB issue, you are very traditional/left thinking. I would think you support a market place where you could use all your trading skills.

[cottonpicken]

Thats the point charlie i know what i am doing and i know how complicated and hard the market is.

Remember the aussie farmers that got caught?
They probably thought they had a handle on things too.

I KNOW 99% of farmers dont have a clue about market direction.That includes the ones that want to do away with the board.

I'll say again farmers should have the right to do what ever they want with their product.But...if you dont know something.These multi-nationals are licking their lips waiting for farmers to wade into the futures market.

And if anyone here thinks they know the markets-they dont.In 3 and half years i have yet to see anyone make a prediction before the fact.

[parsley]

Even if Farmer Black is a clueless dope, if you have any respect for others, you must stand back and allow Farmer Black to make mistakes.

His mistakes.

I'm really pleased that a smart young fellow understand the important point.

Your kids will do just fine, cotton.

Parsley