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[HFL]

Snappy-I was not offended. I am happy to be 48. I hope I get the chance to be 80 or 90. Around here the "old" guys that like things as they are are 70 or 80. The young guys ( like me ) are in their 40s and 50s and would like to see some changes. Of course there are exceptions to every rule.

[parsley]

snappy, I was just kidding!

I have every confidence in young people. If my-agers have done a good job of raising kids, we can sit back, watch the young folks building the next forty-year-block, drink tequilla, and enjoy every minute they chose to share with us.

We had our turn, now let the young folks have their turn. In everything.

That's how my-agers get our report cards.

Parsley

[chaffmeister]

Note to Burbert and the rest of the Borg:

I am not a “Farmer for Justice”.
I am not a broker.
I am not a “clip board buyer” (whatever that is).
I am not a grain buyer – nor do I work for one.
I am not a “big boy”.
I am not even a farmer.
I have no financial interest in farming or in what you do or not do. Whether the CWB keeps its single desk in barley or not will have no impact on my life. My interest in this topic is solely on the basis of being tired of hearing the spin by the CWB while KNOWING what the facts are. I wish I could share all that I've seen how the CWB “operates” – but then again, you probably wouldn’t believe me anyway…... I can tell you this much - I believe this institution is costing you so much money and opportunity it’s obscene. The way the CWB operates and treats farmers is such an injustice I simply can’t sit back and do nothing. It’s the same thing as seeing a woman getting assaulted on the street – I can’t just walk by and do nothing.

What I want to know is this: What is it about the CWB that makes you support and defend it so blindly? You don’t have the facts, don’t want the facts and dismiss and insult anyone trying to explain the facts. Your faith is so utterly blind that your judgment is clouded. It’s worse than a cult – it’s the Borg.

I actually had one guy here on Agriville say that it doesn’t matter if the CWB performs well or not!!! I need to understand this.

I don’t mean to insult you – I just want to be frank because I truly and sincerely want to understand this unwavering devotion to a concept that is unproven and has verifiable evidence disputing its claims of value.

Consider this – if you fail at convincing the “other side” because all you did was sling insults and attend protest rallies and the like, that will be your legacy. If you truly believe that Rome is burning, stop fiddling. In case you’re interested, you won’t convince anyone by insulting them and adding nothing to the debate.

(In case it matters, if someone could prove (and I mean PROVE) to me that the CWB is adding value to the farmer, I'd be in the CWB camp straight away. Consider it a challenge. (Just don't cite any economic study. Give me facts, not theory.)

[HFL]

So Chaff- Good post. You must be a former board employee or somthing. Sounds like you have some inside info. Too bad you can't share some more. I too am amazed at the blind faith that people have for this wheat board. People that are skeptical of everything else and everybody else willingly turn over their grain to someone who has no accountability to them at all and let them sell it. With no evidence other than a few phoney studies that they are getting good service. Boggles my mind.

[parsley]

If you go over to Beef Marketing, I made a topic over there, and kato made known his experience with growing oats, now out of the Board.

Have any of you sold oats latley to make a knowlegable reply?


Parsley

[cottonpicken]

The packers are buying cattle herds.
Why would they do this?
Leverage in setting the price.

Cargill is buying land.
I'll get the specifics when i talk to the guy that told me.

Oil companies are buying land.
Its happening close to where i live.

Back to the dead horse.

CHAFF or anyone why was the board started in the first place?

I believe everybody has a right to do what they want with there product but lets take a look back into history.

Im 32 and not afraid of change but im not going to dismiss my 92 year old grandfathers thoughts on the subject.After all he started behind a horse.

What are the reasons it was started?
Why did almost everyone support it?

[grassfarmer]

Why Parsley? I thought you were the know it all who was telling us beef boys how it was?

[grassfarmer]

CP,"I believe everybody has a right to do what they want with there product but lets take a look back into history".

CP, if you believe everybody is entitled to do what they want with their own product, why are you so against a Dual Market System??

Cp "What are the reasons it was started?
Why did almost everyone support it?"

I'm not saying over the years the CWB has not done good things. But you can't compare 70 years ago to now. Times change. People change. It is time to move forward. My Dad is 70 years old, and thinks I'm crazy to have a Dual Market system. But I also know my Dad doesn't have a clue on how grain is marketed today, it's a completly different ballgame from years ago.

My Dad, cursed my a** out 10 years ago, when I suggested switching from Westar Canola to RR Canola, now says it was the best move we ever made. Two years later I suggested Direct Seeding, I was crazy "it don't work not to work the land he said". Now 8 years later says it was the best thing we ever did.

We can't be afraid of change.

[parsley]

I will begin some lengthy quotes from Access to Information if you really want to hear what went on in the backrooms!
In a new topic.

This topic is Ritter, and cottonpickin reminded me, ever so nicely, about topics, and I am trying to be a little more orderly

Parsley

[HFL]

1. The monopoly was created to control prices and provide low cost wheat to Britain during and after the second world war.
2. I don't know why they supported it then. I don't know why people support it today.