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[silverback]

Blah, blah

It is not ok for some farmers to force their neighbors to market their grain the same way they think it should be done!

How can it be that we can't decide on the definition of marriage because it would infringe on the rights of a same sex group, but it's ok for the CWB to allow 40-50% of farmers to submit to the will of the balance?

What is it going to be? Either the majority cannot impose it's will on a minority or it can. Pick.

[Lifer]

Is not the biofuel strategy at this time more of a domestic development and use issue.

The Wheat Board is working with a commodity that is primarily export at this time.

[chuckChuck]

SilverBack. Obviously a majority can and does impose on the minority when it comes to economic issues. Economic rights are not protected by the Charter, basic human rights are. Even Harper and Strahl support the supply management monopoly boards for dairy and poultry. Why the special treatment from Strahl and Harper for these Boards and not the Wheat Board? Either they support marketing boards or they don't. Which is it?

[lesm]

chuck chuck. i don't ever recall hearing minister strahl saying that he won't allow you to operate your own marketing board.in fact ,I believe he said he would help you set up a better board for those who wanted it. for the life of me, i can't figure out why you pro board people are so adament about forcing your ideologies upon me.is it the fear that i may make more money than you? or what? please explain so as i could sleep better at nites.

[chuckChuck]

lesm. A wheat board without a monopoly is useless. No elevators and no terminals and having to rely on competitors in an open market to handle the grain with no guaranteed supply?? Please explain how this might work because even the Strahl friendly Task Force put the idea of a dual market to rest. It is either an open market or the CWB monopoly. Choose one but not both. Trying to pretend that anything close to what the CWB offers now will be available under an open market scenario is unrealistic. As far as imposing an ideology, that is exactly what Chuck Strahl is doing against the choice of the majority. If you hadn't noticed, 60% of farmers voted in favour of single desk Wheat Board directors. 8 out of 10 elected directors currently support the single desk. You either believe in democracy or you don't.

[silverback]

How do the grain brokers, who have no elevators, railroads, or guaranteed supply, survive to feed their children Chuck?

They provide a service of marketing - for a fee. Mine charges $.05. Sometimes they have a good price, sometimes they don't. I get to choose if they sell it for me. Pretty hard to figure out. What do you think the board has been doing for seventy years? They had that long to come up with a better way to do things other than forced pooling and they didn't.

Does the Ontario Wheat Board operate their own elevator system? Their own milling system? Their own railway? What about Australia? They ran a real clean ship hey?

Don't tell me that it is ok to stomp my "economic" freedom into the ground just so your communist ideology can survive. What I grow on my land is just that - mine, and I should never be forced to mix it with yours or anyone else's unless I choose to do that. If the product you produce is not good enough without needing help from your neighbors then I am really sorry.

If the CWB cannot cope with allowing producers to use their brokering service , or not, then I am sure someone else will step up and do it for them. Let's open the books and find out how good they are doing.

[AdamSmith]

Actually chuck, 30% voted in favour of the single desk candidates for director, 20% voted for other candidates for director, and 50% shrugged their shoulders and said "whatever".
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The following are some great Thomas Jefferson Quotes,

They all aptly apply to the CWB, and the debate surrounding it.

Read and enjoy


A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.

An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

Agriculture, manufacturers, commerce, and navigation, the four pillars of our prosperity, are then most thriving when left most free to individual enterprise.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

[Lifer]

I am a bit more confused. If a wheat board without a monopoly is useless why all the arguments for the wheat board.

The Canadian Wheat Board has no monopoly over world wheat trade. Therefore is it not useless as far as the power arguments go.

[lesm]

Chuck Chuck, I agree with silverback's view of how the dual marketing system could work. Do you believe everything Adrian Measner tells you?? After all, he short changed all of us on our final wheat board payments for the most of seven years.

[GrainVac]

Chuchchuck, you can't compare the CWB to supply-management. Where does the CWB say grow only X amount of wheat because that is the amount we can extract maximum value for? The 80% acceptance does not accomplish the same thing. Nevermind the fact that supply-management manages the domestic needs only and is built upon the idea that we don't/won't compete in the export market and is there only to support the local producer. Last time I checked, wheat production would have to get scaled back more than 10-fold to fit the poultry and dairy supply-management models...no exports and over-charge Canadian consumers for the amount Canadians want/need....guys like you sure spout a lot of trash talk when this stuff is simple economics 101. Should I tell you about how much capital you'd have to invest to participate in a real monopoly like the poultry and dairy quota system? And guess what, they are even more at "mercy" of big multinationals than grain producers because they are completely integrated. (Maple-leaf,Saputo,etc...)