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    #11
    Let’s clear the air with some facts about the CWB and the domestic market:

    1. In the event that a domestic processor (like an ethanol producer) sells bi-products into the human consumption market, it must purchase from the CWB the volume of wheat required to produce the volumes of these bi-products. The “wheat equivalent” volume refers to the average wheat to flour milling ratio of 1.38 to 1.00 (last time I checked). In other words, for every tonne of flour that a processor sells, it must buy 1.38 tonnes of wheat from the CWB.
    2. The CWB’s industrial pricing policy is market based – just like its Domestic Human Consumption (DHC) price.
    3. If the plant produces nothing for human consumption, it does NOT need to go through the CWB.

    Unless things have changed drastically recently, these are facts – contact the CWB in Winnipeg if you don’t trust me. Jim Thompson is probably your best bet.

    So Vader. Puleeeese – stop this misdirection. Let me make it clear – again. The CWB sells domestically at market-based prices. Market-based. No premiums. The CWB’s own policy. No premiums. Your idea that Husky wouldn’t look to the CWB for its feedstocks because “it knows that the CWB’s mandate is to maximize revenues for farmers” is just plain dumb.

    So tell me, knowing that the CWB sells at market prices (like everyone else would) why DOESN’T Husky buy from the CWB?


    Dumb statement #2: “The CWB is completely powerless to add value for producers when someone else is willing to bid lower.”

    So, this “someone else” would be AU. AU goes out and offers (not bids) a real stinker of a price – and of course Husky bites and buys a whole bunch at this really low price. Just so we have a number to refer to, let’s say it was $2.00 a bushel. But other ethanol plants are up and running, and there's a pretty decent domestic feed demand for this wheat. And everyone else is selling to these plants and feeders at $3.00 per bushel. So now AU goes out and tries to buy feed wheat at say $1.85 - to satisfy its sale to Husky and make a little for its troubles. But for some reason, they can’t seem to buy any wheat because the “market” is at $2.85 a bu.

    The moral of the story is: don’t offer lower prices than the market.

    CWB-huggers really miss the boat on this one. Over and over again they assume that grain merchandisers will compete on price until the price goes to zero. They forget over and over again that these same grain merchandisers also need to go out and buy the stuff as well. But I guess that’s understandable since the CWB has never had to worry about the “buy” side of the ledger.


    Vader, you have not described how a "dual/open" market functions, as you think. However, you have made it clear that, without single desk authority the CWB could not compete in the domestic market because it brings absolutely no value or benefit to that market.

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      #12
      Dumb and Dumber - the threequel:

      "The CWB is completely powerless to add value for producers when someone else is willing to bid lower"

      "CWB mandate is to maximize revenues for producers"


      From Dr. Wilson's report:
      "The effect of Canadian offers is to REDUCE the optimal bid by about 50 cents a metric tonne"

      See the dichotomy?

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        #13
        Tom, it is the millers responsibility to buy his wheat at the lowest price on the planet. Just ask their buyers. Just ask their shareholders.

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          #14
          Chaff, you are absolutely right. In todays environment Husky is free to purchase 100% of their feedstock from whomever they choose.

          You talk about market price. What is todays market price for lentils? Last I heard some were getting down to 3 cents per pound. How many are willing to sell at that "market" price. I think it is like airline tickets or hotel rooms. There are many prices in the market every day.

          The CWB does not participate in the domestic feed market because of the tariffs in the system. The CWB takes grain into the export market. AU will probably move much of the grain for Husky directly off farm or will most certainly move it through their own handling facilities without paying tariffs to some 3rd party.

          Chaff, you can keep attacking me personally but it does nothing for your credibility. Perhaps you should tell us who you really represent.

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            #15
            Incognito,

            Who pays Dr. Wilsons salary? Is it Senator Dorgan? Where does he get his information? From the North Dakota Wheat Commission?

            More personal attacks. Ditto.

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              #16
              Kinda like the U 0f S boys, eh Vader.

              Those in glass houses...

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                #17
                Vader;

                It is the miller's responsibility to make money, by buying feed stock that allows the best yeild, at the most effective efficiencies for that plant.

                Buying and paying more, for intrinsic quality that costs more... can often add to the profitability... not decrease the profit.

                I don't believe you are this daft Vader... that you don't already know these facts.

                Like buying a JD... because it has less down time; but costs more. End cost, less total cost than some other machines.

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                  #18
                  If in fact AU and Husky have come to a supply agreement.I wonder if producers will be able to sell directly or will we be out of this maket.

                  If we can't sell directly at our own negotiated price and it all has to go through AU do we still not have single desk? Only without pooling.

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                    #19
                    There is a group that has puchased the former seagrams distillery in Kelowna and will convert to large scale ethanol platn to supply BC and other markets.

                    They plan on sourcing 360000 tonne of cps wheat annually from the Peace region, collected and shipped by unit train from Dawson Creek.

                    They are talking about using LD to handle the grain at their Dawson Creek terminal. Talk is also talk LD has bough JRI concrete at Dawson to assist in this program.

                    The word is 3.20 min price type contract with market upside to the producer depending on the domestic feed market.

                    Sign me up, they are talking about April 07 delivery.

                    No gluten, no flour, no Board.

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                      #20
                      Incognito, I like listening to Tim Ball. He starts off by telling everyone that he is biased. But then so is everybody else. So... read carefully.

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