Thoughts on Fertilizer

[AlbertaFarmer5]

[QUOTE=tweety;521219]
3. Everybody knows you can still grow an ok crop with 30 to 40 lbs of N - except farmers it seems.
4. It's gonna be a wild ride, it is the 1 year in 10 when buying fert in the fall makes no sense.

Define an OK crop? Out here in the high rainfall area, I could grow 1/3 to 1/2 a crop with those rates. Fertilizer still the best ROI of any expense on the this farm.
I'm going to bookmark this and refer back to your #4 next spring. If correct, will you consider offering a paid marketing service? I would sign up

[helmsdale]

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5. Don't be so stressed it causes you mental illness. It will be ok, and please talk to a counsellor and get help if it is too much. If you let this situation build in your head, you may lose more then some money.

Dont worry. I'll be just fine.

[helmsdale]

Sounds like this place you are talking about got a little ahead of themselves.

Nothing out of the ordinary with this particular place. Supply not an issue. If you want it they can get it, and blending bins are ready to go for immediate pickup if wanted. The issue is NO DEMAND! Nothing, nada, zero!

To put this into perspective, I'd have to sell ALL of what I have available for sale from this last crop, in order to afford the same groceries for this year.

[tweety]

There physically are no buyers. Product is in store. I know of 4 people that have taken and or pre-bought fertilizer committing to take it. Everyone else is playing the waiting game. And of those 4, one has sourced enough to put just 30lb's down and thinks that might be all he'll buy if price doesnt come down.

Retailers know exactly how much fertilizer is needed. Everybody knows exactly what you use as enough of you have graciously paid to give your all your data, along with accurate yields. So thank you for that. The best thing you can do is absolutely nothing.

1. It hasn't cost nutrien triple the price to make urea.
2. If there are suckers willing to pay for fert at these prices - why not take their money.
3. Everybody knows you can still grow an ok crop with 30 to 40 lbs of N - except farmers it seems.
4. It's gonna be a wild ride, it is the 1 year in 10 when buying fert in the fall makes no sense.
5. Don't be so stressed it causes you mental illness. It will be ok, and please talk to a counsellor and get help if it is too much. If you let this situation build in your head, you may lose more then some money.

[bucket]

The US DoJ has been tasked with looking into the price of fertilizer by US farm groups.

In Canada farm groups are cheerleading the new board members , and being castrated by the Saskparty for forgetting to ask before they criticized their pals.

[shtferbrains]

I wanted to address this separately. Do these govt today seem like the type that will recognize an imbalance like that and move to correct it?

All signs point to them passing more regulations on it rather than helping stimulate supply.

When crisis arrives they get draconian as we have already seen.

Personally I think they will be happy to see less food at a higher price for the masses.

Happens with some regularity when socialist make a power play.

Great reset followed by mass starvation.

[jazz]

Between the won't pays and the can't pays and the ongoing drought we could be in the beginning stages of the biggest famine in our history. This isn't just Canada either, this is worldwide.

I wanted to address this separately. Do these govt today seem like the type that will recognize an imbalance like that and move to correct it?

All signs point to them passing more regulations on it rather than helping stimulate supply.

When crisis arrives they get draconian as we have already seen.

Personally I think they will be happy to see less food at a higher price for the masses.

[jazz]

There physically are no buyers. Product is in store. I know of 4 people that have taken and or pre-bought fertilizer committing to take it. Everyone else is playing the waiting game. And of those 4, one has sourced enough to put just 30lb's down and thinks that might be all he'll buy if price doesnt come down.

This doesnt sound right hamloc. The buyers I have talked to were so freaked out by the price volatility that they wouldnt commit to bring any product into their facility that not paid upfront by the farmer taking it.

Sounds like this place you are talking about got a little ahead of themselves.

[Tucker]

I think it's great if all us superfarmers here can say "Nope, I'm not paying that." I think the real problem might be the famers who get operating loans every year or just didn't have a crop this year who will be saying "I can't afford that." Go to your local credit union or Royal Bank and say that the regular $300k won't be enough this year, we need to bump that number up to $750k. Think they'll hand over that cash for you?

Between the won't pays and the can't pays and the ongoing drought we could be in the beginning stages of the biggest famine in our history. This isn't just Canada either, this is worldwide.

[TOM4CWB]

There physically are no buyers. Product is in store. I know of 4 people that have taken and or pre-bought fertilizer committing to take it. Everyone else is playing the waiting game. And of those 4, one has sourced enough to put just 30lb's down and thinks that might be all he'll buy if price doesnt come down.

Make a deal that if the price drops, you get the lower price. 15 years ago that was always the deal. If they are a decent supplier that isn't at all unreasonable... and solves the seeding time supply issue...Win Win!
Just ask!

Cheers