Alberta Sheeple

[flea beetle]

Sure, not problem although I doubt if you will understand this. I am using the figures you posted for New Zealand flu above and comparing it to the Covid numbers from New Zealand.

quote fleabeetle:" will go back to DML's numbers about New Zealand. 3519 cases and 26 deaths in nearly 2 years. And everybody is sounding the alarm that Covid is coming and going to most definitely kill you. Yet the flu, which has been around for ages, infects nearly 2,430,000 people, and kills around 1000 people in New Zealand every 2 years and nobody gives it a second thought "

So 26 deaths/3519 cases = death risk of 0.7% from Covid
1000 deaths/2,430,000 cases = death risk of 0.04% from the flu

The risk of dying from Covid is nearly 17.5 times higher than dying from the flu. And this is in a country with modern medical equipment and staff. Should measures not been imposed to slow the spread and the health system was overwhelmed the death rate would quickly escalate to much higher levels.

If you factor infectivity into the equation, you are 0.0005% likely to die from covid. While you are 0.02% likely to die from the flu. 40 times more likely to die from the flu as opposed to covid.

[flea beetle]

Pure bs. If there are no cases in your community it is true you won’t catch COVID. But when introduced into a community with no measures to mitigate spread it is very contagious

I used the numbers YOU provided on New Zealand. So your numbers were wrong?

[the big wheel]

You just have no clue do you!!!

No clue how stupid you can be!!! Lol
You bet.

[dmlfarmer]

If you factor infectivity into the equation, you are 0.0005% likely to die from covid. While you are 0.02% likely to die from the flu. 40 times more likely to die from the flu as opposed to covid.

Ha ha ha. You can not infer infectiviy by number of cases especially given the measures New Zealand implemented to reduce transmission and which have never been implemented for the flu. More pure bs that you are 40 times more likely to die from the flu.

[flea beetle]

Ha ha ha. You can not infer infectiviy by number of cases especially given the measures New Zealand implemented to reduce transmission and which have never been implemented for the flu. More pure bs that you are 40 times more likely to die from the flu.

So we are just supposed to blindly follow without running the numbers?

[flea beetle]

“you can’t infer infectivity by number of cases”

Isn’t that the definition of infectivity? Lol

[the big wheel]

Pretty obvious our minister of health in the province
And others as well as federal have done a poor
Job of explaining what’s going on. Judging by
The misinformation on this site and all through
The web. They really should hold a public forum
Call in or otherwise where people could ask directly
These questions and let’s all see their answers
But they’re hiding worried about losing votes meanwhile
Health workers are taking the brunt of the
Garbage going around. They’re just doing
What they’re supposed to be doing. Lack of
Support from our government is cowardice and
Dumb if many decide to leave due to this.

Flea I shouldn’t have made rhe dumb remark!
I take it back.

[dmlfarmer]

Now dont parse words dml. Saving lives is the goal. Isnt that right? Being safe and healthy trumps all other measures right? Your own govt officials and medical experts have said so. 1 covid death is too many, well then 100 heart disease deaths should have us up in arms, right?

Or is it the speed of the death thats the problem. Heart disease is too slow to worry about. Well then we have drug over doses that are pretty instantaneous and our docs have even prescribed some of the killer drugs themselves. Sasks overdoses have dwarfed its covid deaths. Why dont we lock drug addicts away in a room until they are clean?

Saving lives is a primary goal. And not just preventing deaths from Covid. If hospitals are overrun with Covid cases, surgeries are posponed, accident victims cannot be cared for, heart attack deaths increase, as do overdose deaths.

The fact is Covid is a novel disease for which humans had no antibodies. In order to protect the health care system masking, and social distancing was implemented. Countries like New Zealand which were very proactive were very successful in stopping transmission, lowering case numbers, and preventing deaths. Countries like Brazil which denied the disease was dangerous ended up with huge case numbers and deaths. And countries like the US that tried to implement measures to stop transmission but who had a large portion of the population who resisted any and all measures ended up with huge death numbers too. The same thing in Canada. Some communities where the disease was denied ended up with inordinate numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths compared to communities where measures were followed.

Fortunately vaccines were developed which provide another tool. Vaccines are effective in that they reduce hospitalizations and deaths. This chart was just been released from CDC that shows hospitalization rates are 17 times higher for unvaxed. Yes, there can be breakthrough infections but those infections rarely need hospitalizations. If everyone was vaxed, we could treat Covid like the flu and get on with life. But the large population of unvaxed means there is still the possibility of overwhelming the health care system so we can look forward to more masking and lockdowns thanks entirely to the unvaxed.

Yes saving lives is important, that is why governments are doing everything they can to protect the health care systems. Protection of the health care system has always been the number one priority of all Covid measures and continues to be so. Saving lives, and not just from Covid, is a direct benefit of these policies. That is why responsible, critical thinking, adults get the vaccine. For the good of themselves and society.

[dmlfarmer]

“you can’t infer infectivity by number of cases”

Isn’t that the definition of infectivity? Lol

quote the entire statement, not just pull out the first few words on my statement to make your point. How can you compare infectivity of two diseases when one has measures to reduce transmission and other dosent? Maybe AF5 can explain better seeing as he liked your comparison.

[biglentil]

Saving lives is a primary goal. And not just preventing deaths from Covid. If hospitals are overrun with Covid cases, surgeries are posponed, accident victims cannot be cared for, heart attack deaths increase, as do overdose deaths.

The fact is Covid is a novel disease for which humans had no antibodies. In order to protect the health care system masking, and social distancing was implemented. Countries like New Zealand which were very proactive were very successful in stopping transmission, lowering case numbers, and preventing deaths. Countries like Brazil which denied the disease was dangerous ended up with huge case numbers and deaths. And countries like the US that tried to implement measures to stop transmission but who had a large portion of the population who resisted any and all measures ended up with huge death numbers too. The same thing in Canada. Some communities where the disease was denied ended up with inordinate numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths compared to communities where measures were followed.

Fortunately vaccines were developed which provide another tool. Vaccines are effective in that they reduce hospitalizations and deaths. This chart was just been released from CDC that shows hospitalization rates are 17 times higher for unvaxed. Yes, there can be breakthrough infections but those infections rarely need hospitalizations. If everyone was vaxed, we could treat Covid like the flu and get on with life. But the large population of unvaxed means there is still the possibility of overwhelming the health care system so we can look forward to more masking and lockdowns thanks entirely to the unvaxed.

Yes saving lives is important, that is why governments are doing everything they can to protect the health care systems. Protection of the health care system has always been the number one priority of all Covid measures and continues to be so. Saving lives, and not just from Covid, is a direct benefit of these policies. That is why responsible, critical thinking, adults get the vaccine. For the good of themselves and society.

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A data set from Jan when less than 5% of the population was vaxed in the height of cold and flu til July, the seasonal low. Talk about a 🍒 picked data set to obfuscate the truth for the sheeple.