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  • rumrocks
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2018
    • 1180

    Fail to design or design to fail

    Engineers designing locking collar bearings with the outer race grease hole on the wrong side for most applications. Has anyone tried grinding a groove in the race with an angle grinder.

    It's a pain in the ass to change a greaseable bearing prematurely because by design you can't get grease into the bearing.

    It's good for the share holders, but engineers need shop time, then maybe they would behave.
  • bucket
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 17043

    #2
    Originally posted by rumrocks View Post
    Engineers designing locking collar bearings with the outer race grease hole on the wrong side for most applications. Has anyone tried grinding a groove in the race with an angle grinder.

    It's a pain in the ass to change a greaseable bearing prematurely because by design you can't get grease into the bearing.

    It's good for the share holders, but engineers need shop time, then maybe they would behave.
    Are you talking about the beater bearing on a deere combine? The one that has started many fires because no matter how many times you think you have greased it ...you haven't.

    Tried to explain it to a couple service managers...blank stares.

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    • rumrocks
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2018
      • 1180

      #3
      Originally posted by bucket View Post
      Are you talking about the beater bearing on a deere combine? The one that has started many fires because no matter how many times you think you have greased it ...you haven't.

      Tried to explain it to a couple service managers...blank stares.
      yes, that one.

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      • bucket
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 17043

        #4
        Originally posted by rumrocks View Post
        yes, that one.
        Pretty phucking stupid that they wouldn't issue a recall...


        Mine was working fine...stopped, moved to another field and got an alarm ..no bearing left just the races.

        I think I have changed 3 over the years...no one at deere would even acknowledge the issue.

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        • rumrocks
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2018
          • 1180

          #5
          The bearing on the pulley side is hard to check with belt tension on it, started a fire when that failed.

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          • helmsdale
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2014
            • 2132

            #6
            Could a guy cross the pillow blocks and see if you can get one with the opposite side greasable? We have one like that on an OLD orange Brandt swing auger. You have to go to a bearing shop to get the pillow block to match a new bearing, or you have to get a bearing with opposite side grease holes to fit into the old pillow block. The one's Brandt supplies are guaranteed to last just into next year.

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            • shtferbrains
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2017
              • 5303

              #7
              Pillow blocks are all standard SAE.
              Just order an SKF or some good quality that haven't gone to China.

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              • fjlip
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2002
                • 9895

                #8
                We found same on PU front roller bearing, hole on wrong side? Replace beater one, don't recall hole location.

                Replaced original Brandt "china bomb" main flighting bearing with a much better cast housing, Non china bearing. Second year we had it.

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                • rumrocks
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 1180

                  #9
                  This particular bearing is held in place by two flanges, [one with a grease zerk], one on each to the side of the bearing that bolt to the side of the combine. To make this work you would have have the locking collar inside the combine right against the beater [ probably not doable ] and have the grease zerk outside or have the collar outside and the grease zerk lined up with the grease grove in the race but inside the combine, not practical. Simply put it's the wrong bearing.

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                  • helmsdale
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2014
                    • 2132

                    #10
                    Anybody notice the "new" fafnir bearings that have laser etching instead of stamping for #s? They dont even say where they're made except for on the sku printed on the box... 5 letters with the first being a C.

                    That seriously pisses me off! When I think fafnir, I think quality. If these things are the same quality as the rest of the chinese junk they'll sink their reputation! I'll GLADLY pay double for something made in Japan, Korea(the better half), europe, or N.A. I have yet to find a bearing that's *fun* to change.

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